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dryjoy said:
Can anyone explain what this means in practical terms?
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Well off hand it will be mostly symbolic but I suppose give them legitimacy to haul “conspirators off” Also givens them cover or justification managing resources all travel. It also includes Crimea and 2014 seizures.

One Twitter response summed it up nicely.
This is what they all apparently voted for in these regions.
 
Seriously said:
Well off hand it will be mostly symbolic but I suppose give them legitimacy to haul “conspirators off” Also givens them cover or justification managing resources all travel. It also includes Crimea and 2014 seizures.

One Twitter response summed it up nicely.
This is what they all apparently voted for in these regions.
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This is not symbolic, of course.
- citizens job activities are directed towards military needs;
- everything that could be usefull for military needs is confiscated from people and societies;
- curfew is established with consequences for unallowed mouvements;
- outside the curfew the mouvements are restricted as well and people and motor vehicles could be inspected at anytime;
- military censorship is established;
- any international organization considered hostile is forbidden;
- telephon talks can be controlled;
- interdiction to leave the Country is established.

just to say the most important. there are also other restrictions, for example the interdiction to strike and to make political and religious activities.

But I suspect that in the declaration of the "martial law" could hide in there other "surprises".
The Russian mobilization of 300.000 troops is only the little part... with the recent annexations, those territories are considered as part of Russia, so even conscripts from all over Russia could be used. But it is possibile that, apart from this, the declaration of the martial law could even allow a more extended mobilization in those territories: all of that makes a lot of thousands troops more than those 300.000.
 
bartok said:
This is not symbolic, of course.
- citizens job activities are directed towards military needs;
- everything that could be usefull for military needs is confiscated from people and societies;
- curfew is established with consequences for unallowed mouvements;
- outside the curfew the mouvements are restricted as well and people and motor vehicles could be inspected at anytime;
- military censorship is established;
- any international organization considered hostile is forbidden;
- telephon talks can be controlled;
- interdiction to leave the Country is established.

just to say the most important. there are also other restrictions, for example the interdiction to strike and to make political and religious activities.

But I suspect that in the declaration of the "martial law" could hide in there other "surprises".
The Russian mobilization of 300.000 troops is only the little part... with the recent annexations, those territories are considered as part of Russia, so even conscripts from all over Russia could be used. But it is possibile that, apart from this, the declaration of the martial law could even allow a more extended mobilization in those territories: all of that makes a lot of thousands troops more than those 300.000.
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Like I said symbolic. I mean after all it’s already open season on impertinent orchestra conductors.
 
Looks like Russia is going to blow the dam North of Kherson to create a natural defense barrier. Putin might be crazy enough to use a nuke to make sure job done right. Could blow up ZPP at same time thinking this will shock the war to an end. What fantasy world is he currently visiting?
 
TruthandJustice said:
Looks like Russia is going to blow the dam North of Kherson to create a natural defense barrier. Putin might be crazy enough to use a nuke to make sure job done right. Could blow up ZPP at same time thinking this will shock the war to an end. What fantasy world is he currently visiting?
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In his sick twisted mind this would prevent any further offenses in the region as the newly flooded region would be uninhabitable for centuries.
 
TruthandJustice said:
In his sick twisted mind this would prevent any further offenses in the region as the newly flooded region would be uninhabitable for centuries.
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Russia has been saying for weeks Ukrine has been building dirty bombs and was going to attack the dam and NPP. So start the spin but when they do drop a nuclear bomb as retaliation don't think it wont esclate quickly. I dont want this and we should withdraw all support for Ukraine. This is already happening slowly in the EU and by spring it will be only a few.
 
US doctrine so far has been to supply Ukraine with the weapons it needs to help defend its territorial integrity.

So that being said, the one incremental thing that should be supplied is air defense systems against the drones.

Meanwhile, I don't think the US should escalate with F16's, ATACMS etc. Ukraine is ALREADY winning on the ground. We don't need to give them weapons they can launch deep into Crimea right now. If Ukraine wants to go after Crimea, let them win enough on the ground so their regular artillery and the weapons they already have can do the job.

The important thing is it has to be "THEY" (i.e. Ukraine) and not WE (i.e. the West) who is seen to be winning the war. It seems like some UK defense person was throwing around the word "we". That needs to stop.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
So just let Russia gobble up any country they want because Russia threatens with a nuke. Where does it stop?
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This is what I’m so confused about with some people. They’d prefer we just simply don’t support Ukraine, give it all to Russia and hope that that’s the end of possible conflict between the United States and Russia forever. What happens if they’re given the space and ability to build an effective military over the next 20 years and decide to team up with China ? There will most certainly be no sitting that one out. We need to as a world stand up to communist dictators and end this now. How many times has appeasement worked?
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
So just let Russia gobble up any country they want because Russia threatens with a nuke. Where does it stop?
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Well it should stop with NATO countries. The rest are fair game. Nobody seriously believes that if Putin gets Ukraine that he's going to then attack a country in NATO. Destabilize politically sure but that's also something in our play book. And for those countries not in NATO, well that's the way it is. They aren't in NATO for a reason.
 
Peace said:
Russia has been saying for weeks Ukrine has been building dirty bombs and was going to attack the dam and NPP. So start the spin but when they do drop a nuclear bomb as retaliation don't think it wont esclate quickly. I dont want this and we should withdraw all support for Ukraine. This is already happening slowly in the EU and by spring it will be only a few.
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Sorry to puncture your wet Russian Nationalistic wish, the cost of such operation would be to great for Russia
 
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