UA-RU-NATO War & Ukraine Peace Talks | Discussions

[Yingyang]

I thought it was weird we where agreeing for a second. Hence the shock face. Lol

Actually we did recently on something. Took us both by surprise. . Extremely rare though. Guess it makes it seem more than it should . In this case though, absolutely not. Until next time. . Do enjoy your non biase reports when they appear. I mean both sides opinions and reports. Unfortunately I'm firm on opinions aired only in discussion section and reports untainted by personal opinions. Opinions meaning your not the only one. Report should be that and that only , without imo added.
Imo should accompany report in discussion only. I find that more professional imo. Than again I am scared of heights. never liked pedestals. Good chat

 

[Torch]

ahh thats what i bring to the table but if you noticed when something that goes against DN he laughs but when i bring out concrete facts and proof he stays quiet and doesnt say a word in replying to the statement...

I think laughing is instead of always down voting you. He is being polite. He may be wrong, I’m not taking sides (atm)

 

[Snowfall]

Clearly. I mean Trump was offering up to reset relations and Putin still turned it down. Crazy really.

Yeah the dude knew Trump wanted to negotiate so instead of taking it in good faith he overplayed his hand. Not exactly surprising but still a dumb choice. We’ll see how Putin likes it when the weapons locker opens.

 

[Publius]

Clearly. I mean Trump was offering up to reset relations and Putin still turned it down. Crazy really.

It’s true, Putin has clearly rejected the peace overtures. And while it does seem it wasted time. You know as well as any than optics and convincing the individual nations that the fight is indeed worth it. And that the US has definitely been divided about this war.

With Trump having clearly illustrated that there are limited paths forward. The number of Americans who will be willing to watch Ukraine be swallowed up again significantly tilts the scales for the US continuing to support Ukraine and possibly do what is necessary. Especially in Congress.

There will be a number of Trump supporters who contend that no support for Ukraine is ever going to be justified.
But their numbers will be much smaller, albeit just as noisy.
I don’t agree with them.

So we will see how Trump goes from here. The aid recently released, the minerals deal opening up even a larger flow of weapons and support are a sign of a change.
I “believe” Trump will do what is necessary. We’ll see.

 

[Torch]

It’s true, Putin has clearly rejected the peace overtures. And while it does seem it wasted time. You know as well as any than optics and convincing the individual nations that the fight is indeed worth it. And that the US has definitely been divided about this war.

With Trump having clearly illustrated that there are limited paths forward. The number of Americans who will be willing to watch Ukraine be swallowed up again significantly tilts the scales for the US continuing to support Ukraine and possibly do what is necessary. Especially in Congress.

There will be a number of Trump supporters who contend that no support for Ukraine is ever going to be justified.
But their numbers will be much smaller, albeit just as noisy.
I don’t agree with them.

So we will see how Trump goes from here. The aid recently released, the minerals deal opening up even a larger flow of weapons and support are a sign of a change.
I “believe” Trump will do what is necessary. We’ll see.

Personally I want to end the war. Crimea is lost and the restless eastern provinces were never on board the democratization of the Ukraine. Why anyone would wish to be part of Russia mystifies moi.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Now the UA will not have to fight that smoldering civil war. Ukraine, a bit slimmer but one heck of a lot stronger, can do what it wishes (build atomic bombs if they are smart)

I wanted Trump to give it a chance. He seriously sucked up the Putin for months even to be ridiculed in the US. He strong armed, no he dragged the Ukraine to the ceasefire and peace talks. Trump said that’s what he would do. He did it. Now he needs to complete his promise: open the doors to the DOD shed and start hading out non geo locked weapons of distant destruction. Everything we have and as much as we can get to them.

 

[Publius]

Personally I want to end the war. Crimea is lost and the restless eastern provinces were never on board the democratization of the Ukraine. Why anyone would wish to be part of Russia mystifies moi.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Now the UA will not have to fight that smoldering civil war. Ukraine, a bit slimmer but one heck of a lot stronger, can do what it wishes (build atomic bombs if they are smart)

I wanted Trump to give it a chance. He seriously sucked up the Putin for months even to be ridiculed in the US. He strong armed, no he dragged the Ukraine to the ceasefire and peace talks. Trump said that’s what he would do. He did it. Now he needs to complete his promise: open the doors to the DOD shed and start hading out non geo locked weapons of distant destruction. Everything we have and as much as we can get to them.

Yes he does, I would say send more than just weapons. Send air and a MEU or regiment or two. All in end it now, it would shock the shit out of Russia.

 

[Publius]

Nothing like having a victory celebration with your capital city is under frequent drone attack.
And look there’s Lulu. The one everyone celebrated replacing Bolisarno.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919739436331352559

 

[Erecon]

Wondering how the Russian frontline soldiers are going to react, you guys think it will be buisness as usual, or more likely they will say no to go on the offensive again? With all this ceasefire talk, with ceasefire in the near future. Human psyche/instinct could perhaps play into this, if there is peace on the horizont why risk your life, so close to it.

 

[Yingyang]

Wondering how the Russian frontline soldiers are going to react, you guys think it will be buisness as usual, or more likely they will say no to go on the offensive again? With all this ceasefire talk, with ceasefire in the near future. Human psyche/instinct could perhaps play into this, if there is peace on the horizont why risk your life, so close to it.

Ukrainian soldiers could consider the same.

 

[Snowfall]

Kremlin:The language of ultimatums is unacceptable for Moscow. It is impossible to talk to Russia in such a language.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921904727651917940

Russia: if you send weapons to Ukraine we shall nuke you. If you send troops to Ukraine we shall nuke you. You breathed in our direction? Believe it or not nukes
Also Russia: how dare anyone speak to us in ultimatums

 

[Publius]

Wondering how the Russian frontline soldiers are going to react, you guys think it will be buisness as usual, or more likely they will say no to go on the offensive again? With all this ceasefire talk, with ceasefire in the near future. Human psyche/instinct could perhaps play into this, if there is peace on the horizont why risk your life, so close to it.

It’s a valid question, less so maybe for Russia but still valid

 

[Snowfall]

Estonia says Russia detained a tanker in Baltic Sea​

Estonia says Russia detained a tanker in Baltic Sea

Russia detained a Greek-owned oil tanker on Sunday after it left an Estonian Baltic Sea port, the Estonian Foreign Ministry said, adding it had alerted NATO allies to the incident.

www.reuters.com

Dunno if its something to watch for in the future.

Have a feeling this won’t be the last we see of this after Estonia tried to stop a Russian one last week.

 

[Irag8er]

Have a feeling this won’t be the last we see of this after Estonia tried to stop a Russian one last week.

I posted it a couple back.
No problem, it’s due the added attention.

 

[Snowfall]

Putin agrees with Trump to work with Ukraine on memorandum on possible peace accord​

Putin agrees with Trump to work with Ukraine on memorandum on possible peace accord

Russian President Vladimir Putin, after a call with U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday, said that Moscow was ready to work with Ukraine on a memorandum about a future peace accord and that efforts to end the war in Ukraine were on the right track.

www.reuters.com

In conclusion, Putin is still effectively stalling for time and is just presenting the same proposal Ukraine will never agree to. Time to ramp up weapons deliveries to the Ukrainians and put the kremlin in its place.

 

[Publius]

Ukrainian soldiers could consider the same.

Yeah well human nature they have had a foreign nations solders fighting to take their land they don’t want to give up.
There is that.

 

[Publius]

In conclusion, Putin is still effectively stalling for time and is just presenting the same proposal Ukraine will never agree to. Time to ramp up weapons deliveries to the Ukrainians and put the kremlin in its place.

Probably correct, it’s not an existential threat for Russia, but it is for Putin.

Now I’m on my day off working outside and a little buzzed from a few beers. It’s the perfect temp and sunny. So consider my post with some forbearance.
I say just put a Makerov to his head and end it and let the Ukrainian and Russian people begin to rebuild life. Let’s do some business allow “joe the Slav” to make a living, pop out some kids and have a life that doesn’t include chest plates, AK-47’s and trauma kits.

 

[Snowfall]

Probably correct, it’s not an existential threat for Russia, but it is for Putin.

You know what’s more of an existential threat to Putin? Keeping this thing going. The longer this thing goes on the more it cuts into his oligarchs profits, it gets more Russians killed, and it creates more veterans Russia will have to support once this thing ends. I don’t understand the calculus in the kremlin on this one other than trying to prove a point to the west it seems more likely that this goes bad for them than for the west if this thing drags out.

 

[Publius]

Why set such a low bar?

Don’t be too critical or cynical, an improvement is an improvment

 

[Yingyang]

What a joke in reports .
Russia must
Russia must
Russia must.
Yeah right, wishful thinking once again by the west.
Putin will be serious once the river is achieved . Until then , keep dreaming. Putin is well aware of the situation and future issues with Europe and nato.
He ain't going to deal shit until he gains that all important last card. No peace no cease fire obviously. Especially while the west mouth off about sending European troops to Ukraine as soon as they have an opportunity. .
Russia must, just sounds like a desperate western coalition not achieving its goals. Harden up west, show Putin who's incharge. Send those troops in to Ukraine now . We all know Ukraine desperately needs them. Ukraine is losing, losing the conflict, losing land,losing confidence, losing lives, losing.
America wants conflict with China due to world trade power change. America can't afford to support everyone's regional issues eg, Ukraine- Russia/ Israel-Iran. Global dominance change is far more concerning.
And China is that concern.
America is aware the conflict it wants is far bigger and more risky. But in the interests of American Global standing , a war they believe they must have.
Far more important than Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan and Philippines .
Zelinski open your eyes, your backyard, Netanyahu wishes are nothing compared to Global dominance in trade etc etc. Iran and Israel is nothing, Russia and Ukraine is nothing. Brics and Chinese trade growth, Chinese military growth etc the US DOLLAR, Gold standard etc.
The future growth, development,
Industries, etcetc are fast changing in a direction not favourable for the current so called global powerhouse.
Zelinski mate take the easy way.
Don't give in to Putin. Simply allow elections again. Save face as obviously you will be out voted and then it's someone else's problem . Just be sure you keep a trusted security detail , no point having all that money if you don't get the chance to enjoy it. Stay safe , look forward to your world comic tour . Garenteed your much funnier and more popular as a stand up in the future. You know incase you get bored and need a hobby-spotlight again.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Empty promises.

At this point I think we should just bombing the shit out of ALL russian soldiers in Ukraine. Get em the fuck out of there and call the bluff. Its been three years of hard conflict for the Ukrainians and a cloud of worry hanging over the world since Putin pulled his escapade. They want to lie and spit on their word? They said they weren't invading Ukraine in the first place so why do tell do we CONTINUE TO TRUST THESE LYING RATS in their government. Our president is being played for a damn fool and he better wise up and lay down some fucking consequences. We need a president with some spine and willingness to wade through some shit to get away from the cloud of political stench that we are stuck in regarding Ukraine.