United States Civil War

[intel-bank]

Anyway we would not have ripped blacks off the street in good old days of the south. Why because they were citizens.

You call them “illegal aliens” I call them names like “Jose” “Roberto” “Maria” or “my friends Abuela”.

Anne Frank was illegal too.

 

[Publius]

Once again comparing ripping people off our streets and trying to intervene in issues that particularly effect cities that the federal government doesn’t know shit about,

and that is exactly what the insurrection act and posse comitatus are written for.
We have a legal system to manage this which it will do.

to the federal government saying “you have to give these people rights” is truly sick.

It is actually the states and activist who are arguing we have to give “these people” (illegal immigrates) rights.
I wouldn’t call it sick, no I think just call it manipulative.

Illegals do not share in the full rights and protections as a citizen.
That is a Cold hard fact! In law and precedent.

If they are charged with a crime committed in the US they are afforded the rights of a citizen while at trial. Because they are being judged against American criminal law.

Illegal immigration though is a federal duty to administer, and there have been specific laws, procedures, and yes even special courts to administer this process.

No, like I said above the proper comparison would be if we were ripping black people off the streets of the south and “deporting” them to Africa, then deciding when they were done to go demand they water their fields with Brawndo

Your reference to “idiocracy” is applicable at this time.
The idiocrasy is found in arguing that the feelings of moral superiority of the most noisy and disruptive are the measure for the justification of the law.

 

[teekay99]

I sure do.

No, because the difference between forcing a bunch of racists to allow black people to have equal rights is vastly different then coming in and “cleaning up” our “troubled cities”, which yes have some issues, ones that the federal government has no business dealing with, the federal government doesn’t understand them and will just make them worse like they always do when they stick their hands in these cities.

And I think it’s sickening also to compare desegregation to ripping up our neighbors off the streets, as well. The more proper comparison would be if back in those days in the south, instead of desegregation we just started ripping black people off the streets and sending them to Africa.

"The law is reason free from passion." - Aristotle
The law should be based on objective, rational principles rather than personal emotions or biases, ensuring impartiality and fairness in the legal system.

The only commonality in my statements is the use of federal troops to enforce the law. The reasoning behind the unlawful behavior is immaterial. This makes the analogy objective and rational.

I happen to have supported the use of federal troops in integration and desegregation efforts. Arguably, it was necessary to ensure equal protection of the law under he 14th amendment. If a city fails to enforce the laws on its books, sacrificing the property rights of owners in tacit support of trespassers, vandals, litterers, and rioters, is there not a case to use federal troops under the 14th amendment to ensure equal protection of the law?

If you disagree, do you have a legal or Constitutional argument to make in support of your position?

 

[intel-bank]

and that is exactly what the insurrection act and posse comitatus are written for.
We have a legal system to manage this which it will do.

Yk when y’all’s keep making thinly veiled threats, should probably realize a few things 1. We are everywhere 2. We will die over these things 3. The first shot the military fires on US citizens will be the end of the empire and we all are on the ship. A protester killed in Chicago will be a farmer killed 5 miles outside of Chicago, it won’t end well for any of us.

 

[Publius]

Yk when y’all’s keep making thinly veiled threats, should probably realize a few things 1. We are everywhere 2. We will die over these things 3. The first shot the military fires on US citizens will be the end of the empire and we all are on the ship. A protester killed in Chicago will be a farmer killed 5 miles outside of Chicago, it won’t end well for any of us.

And there you have it. The gov acting according to law and precedent is somehow a thinly veiled threat.
And it will be met with violence and murder of citizens not even directly involved in the protest.

Not a so thinly veiled threat being made here. This is the justification for action for the activist wing of the Democratic Party or socialist what every their called.

Smells like dekulakisation all over again.
And this is why there is no compromise to be had right now.

 

[intel-bank]

And there you have it. The gov acting according to law and precedent is somehow a thinly veiled threat.

No, the shit that republicans say is very frequently a threat, though

And it will be met with violence and murder of citizens not even directly involved in the protest.

What do you think happens in a civil war?!? I’m not saying I would go do that shit but I certainly couldn’t fucking stop one, because there’s no leader of Antifa to go negotiate and hand out orders. It is a factual statement to say something like that, one that repeats throughout history again and again.

 

[Publius]

No, the shit that republicans say is very frequently a threat, though

No one here is saying anything beyond allow our system of checks and balances to work. Your response are all directed at the actions of the executive branch. So it is reasonable for me to assume those are the threats your referring to.

What do you think happens in a civil war?!? I’m not saying I would go do that shit but I certainly couldn’t fucking stop one, because there’s no leader of Antifa to go negotiate and hand out orders. It is a factual statement to say something like that, one that repeats throughout history again and again.

Yet you defend the actions of antifa and provide a rational for why people might be murdered. And you refuse to engage in any constructive discussion of compromise and how it could be dialed down.
So your right by your own words we’re in a state of civil war. This is why I have pressed this issue. There is either a dialing down and working together or war.

If and when we progress into a declared state of civil war. It again will likely be initiated once again by democrats.
Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Then the civilian gov in those cities and states should be given an opportunity to change their sanctuary laws. Or face arrest.
That is what martial law actually looks like.

 

[Torch]

Why should our local governments help your government treat us like shit? Nobody is out here killing federal officers, and talks already making threats because the tiniest bit of resistance is seen as violence. Why are you guys so convinced you need to come in to our cities, from whatever rural shithole y’all’s creep up from coming into our cities, our homes, to take our neighbors off the streets, just so you owned the libs and got those evil aliens out.

Our governments job is to serve our community, not you coming into to force your will into cities that you don’t live in.

This post is exactly why the left loses elections.

@intel-bank you have just demonstrated, in writing, your profound ignorance about the function of government in these United States. Your civics lessons in school seemed to have not taken or were taught by a feel good liberal. Very sad.

 

[Torch]

Why are you guys so convinced you need to come in to our cities, from whatever rural shithole y’all’s creep up from coming into our cities,

Well because if your here and I here, that’s does make it OUR cities.

I would love to debate you further but I do need to go in by my barn and sloop some pigs.

 

[intel-bank]

This post is exactly why the left loses elections.

@intel-bank you have just demonstrated, in writing, your profound ignorance about the function of government in these United States. Your civics lessons in school seemed to have not taken or were taught by a feel good liberal. Very sad.

Funny when conservatives are always the one complaining about civics not in school when I recall years of civics classes

“Our government” as in our local government, no I’m sorry it isn’t for the Feds to demand state and city governments assist them. I thought you guys were small government and states rights?!?

 

[Torch]

Yes this is a hypothetical situation, but it is meant to show that there may be a federal role for troop deployments in cities, beyond serving local communities that said federal authorities do not live in.

And it the law. Further it was even stricter when any west coast States asked to join the union. Don’t like it? Vote.

 

[intel-bank]

Well because if your here and I here, that’s does make it OUR cities.

I would love to debate you further but I do need to go in by my barn and sloop some pigs.

I left the shitty ass rural areas to get away from the shitholes they are, your rural shit ain’t my home, and my city isn’t your home. I was like, huh wow you know the government here doesn’t suite me maybe I should leave. Best fucking decision I ever made.

 

[intel-bank]

And it the law. Further it was even stricter when any west coast States asked to join the union. Don’t like it? Vote.

Well considering you’d just invade us if we tried to leave, not much that can be done. I cannot vote for the South, but when I vote for the policies I want in my state, some fucking rednecks tell me I have to live like them when I fucking already fought to get away from that shit, and I’ll fight again to stay away from it, I would rather die than live in a red state again. For all my problems I have with individual conservatives, I would rather die than live under that boot again.

 

[Torch]

It is hypothetical, and I could say the same thing, I go into rural Louisiana get shot by some redneck who gets away with it cause I know from living in rural areas of red states they do most of the time, they get away with all sorts of shit, should I bring a militia and demand I run the place now?

My example is barely a hypothetical, you want to talk about our cities being underpoliced when I know from personal experience they are significantly more policed, and when law is broken you are significantly more likely to get in trouble than out in the sticks.

But Louisiana is not allowing it federal buildings to be besieged or federal officers harried, harassed and assaulted. However troops are always welcome. We love them. Foreign National Guard, Reserves and active duty.

 

[Torch]

I left the shitty ass rural areas to get away from the shitholes they are, your rural shit ain’t my home, and my city isn’t your home. I was like, huh wow you know the government here doesn’t suite me maybe I should leave. Best fucking decision I ever made.

And Sir we salute you!

Also you are getting awful nasty. Your not breaking any rules and lord knows you have had far worse said to you without complaint.

I’m just think that it can’t be healthy to have so much venom that it explodes post after post for days on end. You really should relax a bit. (Hmm, I’m actually worried about a member. I must be getting soft)

 

[intel-bank]

And Sir we salute you!

No you chase me down and tell me I still have to live like you demand

 

[Torch]

Well considering you’d just invade us if we tried to leave, not much that can be done. I cannot vote for the South, but when I vote for the policies I want in my state, some fucking rednecks tell me I have to live like them when I fucking already fought to get away from that shit, and I’ll fight again to stay away from it, I would rather die than live in a red state again. For all my problems I have with individual conservatives, I would rather die than live under that boot again.

That very funny as I worked very hard to get to the free states as fast as I could.

 

[Torch]

No you chase me down and tell me I still have to live like you demand

That makes no sense to me.

 

[intel-bank]

That makes no sense to me.

This whole administrations goal has been forcing blue cites in blue states to live more like red states. That’s the whole damn goal of project 2025 which for something that was “never the goal”, half of its priorities have been enacted.

 

[Publius]

This whole administrations goal has been forcing blue cites in blue states to live more like red states. That’s the whole damn goal of project 2025 which for something that was “never the goal”, half of its priorities have been enacted.

No it is a simple ask of local police departments to assist with detainment of illegals. Which you are correct local police do NOT have to assist the federal officers.
Then it is a request to Control crowds and protest at federal facilities in their cities. Which technically they could expect local police help with.

Absent of those two refused assist from local police. Then the feds have and can send in agents and if needed guard troops to assist federal civilians police.

It’s the administration of a federal law which if locals don’t want to help that’s fine.
Being indignant and mortified when the federal government does decide enforce these laws is just fake indignation and theater.
Lead follow or get out of the way.
It’s happening whether you like it or not.

And if one of your compatriots show up in the dark at my farm it will not go well.
Which honestly I don’t expect them to. Because I don’t have a vapor light outside and city people are scared of the dark