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Agree this went way off topic and you can delete this after, but i didnt mean it as racist because whatever ethnicity you are we proplbaly enslaved your ancestors and bombbed and robbed the country! Can you say that we didnt!
 
tlcagford said:
Also, Why the double standards because they are white. We are still in many countries killing but lets not compare they weren't people they were the global south!
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Oh my lord this is such old debunked drivel. Also known as propaganda.
Would you like to see the picture of the Wagner group leaders SS WAffen tattoos on his chest or the picture of the separatist commander being decorated with a SS death head patch on his right shoulder.
We are so beyond who’s theoretically the bad guy and who ACTuALY invaded a separate nation. This used to be a fairly clear demarcation point for acceptable behavior.
And again we did not invade Ukraine. There was a revolution they threw the Russian puppet out. They have had two elections since and the still willing want nothing to do with Russia’s idea of peace.

But thanks for making the problem here crystal clear.
It will be war! and the choice lies with Russia and “wait for it” supporters that the war will continue and likely escalate.
So get on with it nato send the air cover a d SF armored in.
It is the humanitarian thing to do to put this dead horse out of its misery
 
tlcagford said:
Agree this went way off topic and you can delete this after, but i didnt mean it as racist because whatever ethnicity you are we proplbaly enslaved your ancestors and bombbed and robbed the country! Can you say that we didnt!
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At the risk of getting moderated on my own board, I can say that all races have enslaved others and done horrible things. This crime isn't limited to a single race.
 
tlcagford said:
Agree this went way off topic and you can delete this after, but i didnt mean it as racist because whatever ethnicity you are we proplbaly enslaved your ancestors and bombbed and robbed the country! Can you say that we didnt!
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I know that once in my history as a Caucasian my ancestors were also subject to slaver raids and sent off to live in slavery.
Did you ever wonder were the word slave came? The Slavic - the Caucasian from the Caucuses

Slavery is not about race it’s about oppression of the weak, nothing more nothing less
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1547071704698175489

I agree with this assessment. Putin is also emptying his gulags too in an effort to avoid a national mobilization. There are only two ways this war actually ends. Putin’s removal from power or nuclear escalation. I believe if Putin tries to do a national mobilization, he will get booted. If he tries to order a nuclear strike, he will get booted. If some lone idiot actually follows through with his order and launches, they will become target number one for a retaliatory conventional strike from NATO.
 
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Did we not invade Ukraine? We have been there trianing and supling weapons even when we knew that they were killing and torching people. Makes us a party to the crimes committed. Remember when Russia said the US had Bio Labs in Ukraine we came out and denide it and called it Russian disinformation. After they were caputured we said Ok there are biolabs but it was inocent and no the US wont allow independent investigators inspect our 100's of Bio Labs.
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That is incorrect the UN has been in looking at those labs. They were established originally w/Uk Ru and US involvement. Ru withdrew they have had ongoing UN inspection.
Straight up Russian disinformation.
 
william said:
Update: The European Space Agency announced the termination of cooperation with Russia in the Mars exploration project.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1547028804996038656
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Good! We should not be sharing anything with Russia, nada, zero, zilch. Especial space & rocket technology. Should of been done a long time ago like in 2014!

Speaking of let's just kick Russia out of the ISS and let it burn up in our atmosphere. Let's build a new western space port and do it up better without Russia. Or screw a space station and build a tiny Western scientific colony on mars!
 
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PS. When did this site go from reporting the truth to being another propaganda website for the west! Who mislead post false and misleading information from bogus posters on the web. But yes lets fight to the last Ukrainian and watch the the west collapse into a never ending depression along with irrevalenacy in the world. Best thing that we could do now is revove all sanctions and try and get Russia back on our side but that is never going to happen!
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Ukranian crisis it's a very dangerous crisis and so flames the spirits. It's not different in general mass-media in our Occidental Countries. Furthermore, this is an US website and Russia is the archenemy of US, like Joker and Batman, so, it is understandable that the ideological orientations are mostly in one direction: I would be amazed if it were the contrary! And it is normal. Nonetheless, here there are people well informed who know what they are speaking about and the analysis are good. Of course, you are not the only one with less categorical positions then someone else: some of them remain generally rather more silent then the others. You have to discern from who screams: "NATO has to bomb Russia, so Russia will run away etc, etc", who posts each "f....g" Russian tank with a dent on the crawler as it were sign of a kind of defeat and who insult you if you disagree, from who, regardless your orientation, is capable to speak about the facts without insult you. Some people think to generate the reality by their own words, even more if they are, for example, 100 againt 1, in a kind of unconscious similitude with the real battlefield, where things are actually different.
 
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You don't agree to a villain's terms. That just encourages the villain to do more villainy.
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The question is different. Personally, I find completely useless to discuss about if the terms have to be accepted on the base of who is right and who is wrong. Ukraine thinks to be right and Russia to be wrong. Russia thinks to be right and Ukraine to be wrong. Does it matters? I think Russia has made the only thing that it could make, because NATO has refused at all any discussion about reciprocal garanties. Does it matters? Wars are not decidet on a moral base.
The question is the following: to try to understand in which misure Ukraine can actually not-accept Russian terms. When Putin said that the more time passes, the more will be difficult for Ukraine to deal less hard terms, he has simply said an actual fact. So, then, the very point is to understand how much important is for us to push Ukraine to win that war without compromises, considering ALL the possible implications: THIS is important.
 
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An accident at the Norwegian offshore field Sleipner has caused a spike in European gas prices, with output dropping by 17 million cubic meters per day. The Norwegian gas transmission operator later announced that the production capacity of the Nyhamna gas processing plant has dropped 66.7% from 80 mcm per day to 25 mcm per day.
 
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The question is different. Personally, I find completely useless to discuss about if the terms have to be accepted on the base of who is right and who is wrong. Ukraine thinks to be right and Russia to be wrong. Russia thinks to be right and Ukraine to be wrong. Does it matters? I think Russia has made the only thing that it could make, because NATO has refused at all any discussion about reciprocal garanties. Does it matters? Wars are not decidet on a moral base.
The question is the following: to try to understand in which misure Ukraine can actually not-accept Russian terms. When Putin said that the more time passes, the more will be difficult for Ukraine to deal less hard terms, he has simply said an actual fact. So, then, the very point is to understand how much important is for us to push Ukraine to win that war without compromises, considering ALL the possible implications: THIS is important.
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This is a inaccurate statement. The question has been asked ok then what could be an agreed upon accepted peace treat to bring the fighting to an end.
The only answer I have seen is Z needs to surrender right now no discussion of what would be a workable settlement.
The topic has been offered with various suggested concessions from each.
Yet the only settlement responded to was complete surrender by Ukraine to Russia now.
Who exactly being unwilling to negotiate or discuss reasonable terms.
I don’t see it coming from Ukraine supporters by in large but from those who support Russian position.
This is what that is not surprising.
 
Obreid said:
This is a inaccurate statement. The question has been asked ok then what could be an agreed upon accepted peace treat to bring the fighting to an end.
The only answer I have seen is Z needs to surrender right now no discussion of what would be a workable settlement.
The topic has been offered with various suggested concessions from each.
Yet the only settlement responded to was complete surrender by Ukraine to Russia now.
Who exactly being unwilling to negotiate or discuss reasonable terms.
I don’t see it coming from Ukraine supporters by in large but from those who support Russian position.
This is what that is not surprising.
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Obreid, I remember that we have already thought about that, so I have a little to add. In your opinion, was Chamberlain a Nazi supporter? When him - and not only him - said that was opportune to accept some German requests, to not humiliate Germany, that Germany had some reasons resulting by the Versailles treaty, does he was a Nazi supporter? That kind of behaviour was called "Appeasement". In the 90s, it was called "real politik". Our Occidental behaviour toward the appeasement, having forgotten what war is and knowing that it was unable to avoid the war, today is the exactly contray: 0 tollerance, 0 comprension, 0 disposition to compromise. But I ask you: do you really think that act with 0 tollerance, it could be enough to avoid a war, just because it is the contrary of the appeacement? We will never know for sure, but the more likely scenario if UK had declared war in the occasion of Anschluss, it would be that the war would have started earlier and for sure. With the great "corollary" that today it would not so sure (like it is) that the guilty of the war was 100% to Germany and Italy. Thik about it... how many are the casualities of the WWII? 60.000.000? Now, maybe we would say: "60.000.000 deads just because UK didn't want the annexation of Austria to Germany, when Austrians are actual German"...

One of the things that I find more worrying today, is that today, Chaberlain would be surely considered as pro-Nazi! We are marginalizing whosoever has carefully positions: this is not historically the right way to avoid a war.

So, what would be an acceptable peace treat? We have already thought about that, as I said. When Putin has said: "that the more time passes, the more will be difficult for Ukraine to deal less hard terms", it had said simly the true. It is unrealistic to think that the terms, now, could be the same of 23 February. I don't say that Ukraine should surrender. At the moment, what Ukraine can do for a peace, is to recognaze to Russia, what Russia has conquered and assure the neutrality: these could be the bases of a peace talk. Whatever other position which doen't start for that, it will simply extend the duration of the war and, probably, the terms that Ukraine can treat, untill the complete defeat, that is eventually the equivalent of the complete surrendere, but after a massive destruction. It's simple. The ONLY way to not accept that (moreaover for an uncertain result), it is likely a major war, as I said in another topic that you have read, that is likely to be nuclear and with massive destruction in Europe.
 
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Canada to allow Nord Stream gas turbine return under sanctions waiver: minister

Canada is to allow gas turbines used to flow gas through the Nord Stream pipeline from Russia to Germany that are repaired on Canadian territory to be returned to Germany under a sanctions waiver, a senior Canadian government official said July 9. In a statement, Canada's natural resources minister Jonathan Wilkinson said Germany's economy would suffer "significant" hardship in the event of a shortage of gas.
Russia's Gazprom on June 16 cut gas supplies via the Nord Stream pipeline to Germany to just 40% of capacity, citing maintenance issues with gas turbines at the key Portovaya compressor station.

Canada to allow Nord Stream gas turbine return under sanctions waiver: minister

Canada is to allow gas turbines used to flow gas through the Nord Stream pipeline from Russia to Germany that are repaired on Canadian territory to be returned to Germany under a sanctions waiver, a s
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As we rightly condemn the former USSR/Russia invasion of Ukraine, it is painfully ironic to hear a former USA government official brag about leading "coup d'etats" to overthrow leadership in other nations. Nations who live in glass houses can't throw stones.

Bolton Brags on Coups
"As somebody who has helped plan coup d’état, not here but other places, it takes a lot of work, and that's not what he did," he added.
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John Bolton says he helped plan coups in other countries: "It takes a lot of work"

"As somebody who has helped plan coup d’état, not here but other places, it takes a lot of work," he told CNN.
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