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No body cares what I or any of us thinks about it.
Just this process of debating that MAD some how doesn’t work. Or should there be a response if they use nukes or not only accomplishes one thing.
It undermines whatever discouragements there was left to deterrence. Deterrence after all did keep them in the silos for seventy years
And of course it gives Russia breathing room to hold on and recover from their setbacks and ability to salvage something from their debacle.

I don’t see that a response is needed for a low fatality strike. Go to defcon 2 launch the B-1’s and establish air cap over them and carry on with the war.
Flip Russia the middle finger and ask them when they are going to withdraw the world is waiting.
Western forbearance would only make Putin look more the criminal.
 
Seriously said:
72 hour rule eliminates most false reporting. If other diverse sources don’t pick the story up with 2nd or 3rd person/data then it is alleged. Doesn’t matter if it’s cnn rt fox dw or even a Twitter post. There will be conformations (not echo chamber reporting or retweets to support or it’s probably not accurate.

Beyond that simply recognize and don’t accept opinion as news.

And beyond that you pick a side and don’t try to claim you haven’t because biases are universal.
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No requirement here to pick a side. If so the director can enlightened us all. But seriously, not your call or mods.
 
Yingyang said:
No requirement here to pick a side. If so the director can enlightened us all. But seriously, not your call or mods.
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I wasn’t singling out or deriding any particular source. I was simply stating an accurate report should find itself in the company of other sources reporting confirmation beyond a sole anon source or repetition of another journalist or tweets.
Simple confirmation is all that I am looking for. Thus the 72 hour rule, it normally takes 72 hours for a breaking news story to face plant.

Opinions are always welcome just call them opinions.
I look for confirmations on important stories no matter where they come from be it CNN RT DW Sky News The Guardian or Alex jones. It really makes no difference no news source can be taken at face value on a breaking story.

Steve Bannons WarRoom was all over the Hunter Biden laptop story in 2019. And I checked around and deemed there reporting on it and Hunters shell corporations dealings with Ukraine and China are actually factual. And what do you know. It seems that finally now for some reason a lot of other reporters seem to think it’s story worth looking at.

In the same sense I won’t right off the invasion of Ukraine as justified because of corruption in Ukraine and ties to the deep state and WEF. That’s not a good enough reason to invade a sovereign nation.
It wasn’t good enough when the US And France started bombing Libya and screwing with Syria.
And when Russia sent troops to Syria to defend their long standing ally in Syria. I wasn’t surprised and supported their right to defend their geo-political ally.

Just as NATO is doing in Ukraine today.
 
Cool misunderstood pick a side. As biase is universal statement. Which i found incorrect and inappropriate. Thankyou for clearing that up. My apologies.
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I wasn’t singling out or deriding any particular source. I was simply stating an accurate report should find itself in the company of other sources reporting confirmation beyond a sole anon source or repetition of another journalist or tweets.
Simple confirmation is all that I am looking for. Thus the 72 hour rule, it normally takes 72 hours for a breaking news story to face plant.

Opinions are always welcome just call them opinions.
I look for confirmations on important stories no matter where they come from be it CNN RT DW Sky News The Guardian or Alex jones. It really makes no difference no news source can be taken at face value on a breaking story.

Steve Bannons WarRoom was all over the Hunter Biden laptop story in 2019. And I checked around and deemed there reporting on it and Hunters shell corporations dealings with Ukraine and China are actually factual. And what do you know. It seems that finally now for some reason a lot of other reporters seem to think it’s story worth looking at.

In the same sense I won’t right off the invasion of Ukraine as justified because of corruption in Ukraine and ties to the deep state and WEF. That’s not a good enough reason to invade a sovereign nation.
It wasn’t good enough when the US And France started bombing Libya and screwing with Syria.
And when Russia sent troops to Syria to defend their long standing ally in Syria. I wasn’t surprised and supported their right to defend their geo-political ally.

Just as NATO is doing in Ukraine today.
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All of the Air Defense Systems being rushed to the Ukraine are great, but it’s a losing proposition without massive retaliatory and preemptive strikes on the bases that launched them.
Russia cannot be given a safe haven to commit these acts. UA needs Surface to Surface LONG range weapons to interdict the flow of these weapons into the Theatre and destroy any launch sites or sites that support them. Fuck Russia. It is the Ukraines decision whether or not to use the weapons.
 
Silent said:
Do not forget! 500,000 children were killed in Iraq by war and hunger by the United States.
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Don't forget Russia is specifically targeting civilians on purpose! Most the time in their sleep!

Don't forget Russia kidnapping Ukrainian children from their parents/country shipping them to Russia and stripping them of their identity!

Don't forget Russia is using a nuclear power plant as blackmail!

Don't forget the publicly executed civilians bodies just left on the ground in Bucha Ukraine!

Don't forget 146 nations condemned Russia yesterday and only 5 nations in the entire world stood by Russia! Of those 5 are brutal dictators who slaughter, repress, and starve their own people.

I don't recall any of this by America. 🤔🙄🙄🙄 Desperate deflecting is very transparent for many when faced with Russian genocide and war crime facts.
 
Silent said:
Do not forget! 500,000 children were killed in Iraq by war and hunger by the United States.
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Get your facts right. It wasn't the US. It was because of UN sanctions NOT WAR. Also grossly inaccurate numbers. 🤦‍♂️

See:

That was ‘a spectacular lie.’​

500,000 children had died as a result of U.N.-imposed sanctions in the previous decade.
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It's not a real number. Saddam Hussein said that with no evidence. Again it wasn't the war. It was before the war.

If your going to try and deflect at least get your facts right or the whole story! 🤦‍♂️🙄🤣
 
ZedBoy said:
"I write this as one who has personally been targeted by Russia TV (RT) in its support for white supremacist figures in the USA"


so like did they hit you up, or are you a white supremacist? Because I don't think media randomly singles out groups like that.
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RT and Sputnik are Russia state media propaganda sites. Their primary goal is to spread division and discord among Americans. That said, that does not always mean all of their reports are also wrong, especially when the USA media is so biased by their own narratives and transactional relationships with the US intelligence community. Two wrongs do not make a right.
I only pointed out that, in the past, I have been a personal target of RT, as part of my pro-equality human rights activism challenge to white supremacism ideologies. And even despite being a past target of RT, I can still recognize the need for freedom of expression, and the chance that (esp in today's circumstances), there will be a chance that RT will report something accurately that is being consciously hidden ty other USA-run media. **Reason and Conscience Must Be Our Guide.**

Freedom of Thought and Freedom of Expression are part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The same one that the USSR refused to sign. That does not make those rights any less inherent.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
I never subscribed to "proportional response". I am a beleiver in "massive, overwhelming response". The enemy can't hit you back if he is on the ground, unconscious.
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Completely understand and respect the frustration, anger, and defiance here.
We also need to encourage our governments, military, political figures, and activists to find a different narrative to release out to the world, such as "We don't believe in nuclear war." Keep it simple.

Because most of us do know that nuclear war has no winners.
 
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REALHumanRights said:
Completely understand and respect the frustration, anger, and defiance here.
We also need to encourage our governments, military, political figures, and activists to find a different narrative to release out to the world, such as "We don't believe in nuclear war." Keep it simple.

Because most of us do know that nuclear war has no winners.
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Yes it is it’s a great shame that Russia has brought us to this point.
Threatening to use nuclear weapons as blackmail to win a losing war they started is all kinds of chicken shit punk ass behavior.

But it’s war and we’re in the midst of it. Might as well end it sooner than later.
Because Russia gives no indication of deescalating.
 
alphaecho said:
<<<RUMOR>>>, take it as a rumor, and be aware of information on the subject.

Putin ordered an underground nuclear test in Arkhangelsk region, however it has been delayed twice in 2 weeks, with various excuses provided to Putin.
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Pretending this is true for a moment:

This would be an excellent way for Russia to escalate without actually nuking Ukraine or exploding one in the Sea. I gotta admit, I never thought of this.
 
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