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Americas Political Landscape & Its Effects On Foreign Policy

es7129 said:
I don’t think they’re criticizing the decision to leave Afghanistan, but rather how badly they botched it.
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Yeah the lack of preparation for afghans who worked with us. And simply notifying our Allie’s that we were closing up shop abruptly.
We were coming out we just handled it rather badly
 
We were to uninvolved and suspended leathal aid in 2021 to appease Putin and it simply did not work.
It was a yellow light to run just as in 2014.
Personally I do not believe Trump would have done that. However of course it is an unknown and I could be wrong.

Does anyone believe Biden would have launched 50 tomahawks into Syria over a red line. Or given the military the go ahead wage a scorched counter attack on Wagner Merc’s when they attacked a US SOF outpost.

One of the major things that has brought us to this point is leading up to the war in 2021 we were mute and awol on the issue.
Putin thought he could get aways with it just like in Georgia and 2014.
So here we are
Strategic ambiguity wins again.
 
Seriously said:
We were to uninvolved and suspended leathal aid in 2021 to appease Putin and it simply did not work.
It was a yellow light to run just as in 2014.
Personally I do not believe Trump would have done that. However of course it is an unknown and I could be wrong.

Does anyone believe Biden would have launched 50 tomahawks into Syria over a red line. Or given the military the go ahead wage a scorched counter attack on Wagner Merc’s when they attacked a US SOF outpost.
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There's one major global figure Trump never spoke ill of. That's Vladimir Putin. Hell, he publicly sided with Putin over America's own intelligence services. Multiple times. Even after the war began. The definition of treason.

Sadly, political sentiment overrules rationality every time. Our brains suppress inconvenient truths and manufacture facts in support of what we want to be true. In calmer times this might not be very damaging, but now it will get us all killed.
 
Torcher said:

IRGC commander says Iran seeks to kill Trump​


They would be electing to receive many KIlowatts of Thermal Power….Thermal Nuclear Power if they succeed and a quick tuneup for just trying.
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tbh, I think a large part of the country would celebrate Trump's assassination.
 
Socom7 said:
There's one major global figure Trump never spoke ill of. That's Vladimir Putin. Hell, he publicly sided with Putin over America's own intelligence services. Multiple times. Even after the war began. The definition of treason.

Sadly, political sentiment overrules rationality every time. Our brains suppress inconvenient truths and manufacture facts in support of what we want to be true. In calmer times this might not be very damaging, but now it will get us all killed.
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Your correct he did make those mistakes and it is political.
There were absolutely things he should have done differently. It was a political mess all around.
And I agree with you completely regarding his current public statements regarding the war. He’s categorically wrong to say some of the things he’s saying.
I wouldn’t lean so much on treason though. This is america and we’re supposed to have freedom of speech. History will judge him accordingly.

He was also the president to actually do something material in Syria to curtail ISIS expansion (bombing oil tanker caravans) As well as a military response against Syria over the red/pink lines of chemical weapon use.

It wasn’t President Trump that suspended sending weapons to Ukraine for almost half a year their first year in office. Or refused congress for their entire second term to send weapons to Ukraine.

I’m not arguing the domestic politics here. But the foreign policy response to Russia.
One president did nothing for four years after Crimea was invaded and repeated chemical weapons attacks in Syria.

Another actually did send military weapons to Ukraine.
While another cut those transfers and suspended lethal weapons for the first half year of their term in office. Hoping to mollify Russia from seizing more territory.
We saw the results of that in February 2022.

Again trump made some significant mistakes but he did not coddle Putin’s marshal aspirations. Who went to NATO two years before the invasion and basically told them to get off there asses and strengthen their militaries and meet their nato obligations.
Or said to Germany WTH are you doing buying the bulk of your energy supplies from a nation who obviously has its eye on expanding once again.

Trump is no demigod who was going to unilaterally save the world or america.
He got some things right and and not on others.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
tbh, I think a large part of the country would celebrate Trump's assassination.
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Even though a lot of people would celebrate, I could see it leading to the US invading Iran just as a show of force for assassinating a former president. Unfortunately it seems like the US is now looking for reasons to flex military power.
 
DarkNoon said:
Same can be said for Biden. Goes both ways. Both sides suck and have taken it to far.
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Yes, but the difference is that if Biden was assassinated, his opponents wouldn't be out on the street celebrating and pundits would not be on the air praising the assassins.

The same can not be said if Trump was assassinated.

Just look at the difference when someone on the right is struck down by a disease or death and when someone on the left is.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
This is untrue. Trump specifically said that the Putin of today is different from the Putin he used to know.
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He also said this:

Remember in Helsinki when a 3rd rate reporter asked me, essentially, who I trusted more, President Putin of Russia, or our “Intelligence” lowlifes. My instinct at the time was that we had really bad people in the form of James Comey, McCabe (whose wife was being helped out by Crooked Hillary while Crooked was under investigation!), Brennan, Peter Strzok (whose wife is at the SEC) & his lover, Lisa Page. Now add McGonigal & other slime to the list. Who would you choose, Putin or these Misfits?

That was three weeks ago. Not in some sort of distant past where Putin wasn't responsible for murdering thousands of Ukrainian civilians in a medieval-style slaughterfest after having launched an unprovoked war of conquest against a peaceful nation.

Anyone who trusts this man and believes he should be in power is fully deserving of the consequences.
 
Moderates & Independents need to gain control again. Never had a candidate elected independent but we use to determine elections and put people in power who where not to far left and not to far right basically no one extreme on the political spectrum was elected. The moderates & independents USE to ensure that.

Now we got far right conservative and far left liberal whack jobs in positions of power because the two party system corrupted its bases and independent/moderates lost its voice/power to them. :(
 
Socom7 said:
He also said this:

Remember in Helsinki when a 3rd rate reporter asked me, essentially, who I trusted more, President Putin of Russia, or our “Intelligence” lowlifes. My instinct at the time was that we had really bad people in the form of James Comey, McCabe (whose wife was being helped out by Crooked Hillary while Crooked was under investigation!), Brennan, Peter Strzok (whose wife is at the SEC) & his lover, Lisa Page. Now add McGonigal & other slime to the list. Who would you choose, Putin or these Misfits?

That was three weeks ago. Not in some sort of distant past where Putin wasn't responsible for murdering thousands of Ukrainian civilians in a medieval-style slaughterfest after having launched an unprovoked war of conquest against a peaceful nation.

Anyone who trusts this man and believes he should be in power is fully deserving of the consequences.
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i completely agree with you and it has effected my support of him. I can’t or won’t support him because of this. I just don’t buy he coddled Russia. Especially compared to past admins. That’s all I’m saying.

Let me be clear the MAGA movement, or what ever it’s called today. Is wrong to write off what is happening in Ukraine today. Solely because it is the contrarian view of the democrats or msm.
I believe where here because of Biden and obamas decisions. But that does not mean we can turn our backs on what Russia has and is doing today.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Yes, but the difference is that if Biden was assassinated, his opponents wouldn't be out on the street celebrating and pundits would not be on the air praising the assassins.
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Well I wouldn’t that would mean Harris would be in charge and that’s even scarier.
 
FMXMike said:
Even though a lot of people would celebrate, I could see it leading to the US invading Iran just as a show of force for assassinating a former president. Unfortunately it seems like the US is now looking for reasons to flex military power.
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DarkNoon said:
Moderates & Independents need to gain control again. Never had a candidate elected independent but we use to determine elections and put people in power who where not to far left and not to far right basically no one extreme on the political spectrum was elected. The moderates & independents USE to ensure that.

Now we got far right conservative and far left liberal whack jobs in positions of power because the two party system corrupted its bases and independent/moderates lost its voice/power to them. :(
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What’s deficient in this outlook is it leaves no outlet for change or evolution to real world situations.
I’m sorry telling people to just trust the gov does not work over the long haul. There is no accountability in that.

There are constitutional remedies to control and moderate both extremes.
But we don’t allow them to work.
When I read your post like this on fringe elements. I never see a solution to them. Just a generalized desire to shut them down through sheer force.

That will not work in the long term. Part of the reasons we are seeing the extremes so evidenced in the US today. Is because that is exactly what has happened to silence them.

This does not work, even over the short term.
The parties and the balance of government between the three parts and the federal and states have attempted to be focused into a giant singular organism. That is totalitarian, not a democratic republic.

They have used panic fear mongering politics to manipulate the citizens and the states to give up their rights and influence.
This will ruin us. We where given a system that worked fairly well, not perfect. It is not what we have today and that is exactly why we see the extremest so much. Thru fear and righteous indignation the extremes are used to drive extreme change.
Me too, trans rights, racism, isolationism, climate change regulations, denuclearization, Terrorism, war, energy policy, inflation. Extremist groups.
It’s along list

We were warned by one of the shrewdest and most secular founders.
You have been given a republic, if you can keep it.
 
Torcher said:
It not the man, its the position. No country can allow its president to be killed by a foreign power. Same would apply if it was Obama’s or Biden.
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I’ve always had issue with this during times of war. I’m mean seriously it’s a war is the man in the office more sacrosanct than the private in the muddy ditch.
It might not be strategically smart or generate the outcome you desire.
But if a grunts life is on the line what makes the president impervious to the same threat. This is history except when monarchs tried to elevate officers and leaders a separate from the gore.
 
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