While travelling/working for the US I lost count how many times I was told you speak good English for somebody from Austria, or gee you don't have a German accent. Continually saying Australia and I never ceased to be amazed at how many had absolutely no idea where Australia was despite it being a big solo land mass in the southern hemisphere so I sincerely believe they would not be able to find Poland.
If Poland pulls that it will only be because the United States authorized it. If that happens, immediate DEFCON 4 with an option for 3 in my opinion. That will begin a whole chain of events that could rapidly spiral out of control
Most Americans couldn't find their own state on a map.
Those southern states, "I tell you whuut"
I can't wait for Times magazine to issue their "Red X" issue for the man.
Indeed, few more months and Putler will be MIA, found strung up from his ears.
Ok, but this doesn't answer to the question. The tactic to send in Ukraine people who are formally fighters for freedom (but that were in the Army just one second before), it has been alredy used and it prouved to be usefull. So, why don't send to Ukraine a lot of weapons for the Ukranians and then "let's" that thousands of "people" of NATO nations go to Ukraine as private citizens? I don't find a real motivation in order that some NATO nations enter Ukraine formally: it will only prevent Russia to be able to pretend that nothing is happened. The only reason I find is that, in the post-war peace talks, maybe some nations want to can put on the table some thousands deads in order to can claim somewhat. Maybe. I don't think there is an actual need of further troops.
I'm not speaking about what is moral, or right, I speak about the range of the possible. We live in a time in which sending troops in disguise... works. The "little green men" were invented just by Russia. Why NATO should formally send troops, when it can send "little green men"? I really don't see the advantage, if not in the said case of peace talks. But they don't say that this is the reason.The sick fantasies here are becoming more and more.
Agreed. If NATO didn’t sanction/approve it happening, the Poles would( more than likely) be on their own. NATO looks reluctant to put boots on the ground, at this point.
I'm with yea. I have serious doubts. West to afraid of Putins empty threats and tempertantrums.
Can they send them under their flag instead of under the NATO blanket?
I believe we had this discussion a year ago I will have to find the thread and we can continue it there.
Found it.
There where some really good discussions in this thread about that exact question:
I made some pretty valid points in this thread that they can try and send it under their own Banner/Flag but if they get in trouble and are attacked can still qualify for article 5 imo still dragging NATO into the mess.
Agreed with all of that except article 5 is for nato countries not soldiers of nato that defend a non nato country. Article 5 does not apply in this circumstance. Nato soldiers dying in non nato Ukraine.
Well, Congress won't have a say in the matter. The President can send them without Congress.
I guess so. I don't see Russia seeing a difference. Besides, Russia already says this is a war between them and NATO.
