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UA-RU-NATO War | Discussions | Jun. 1st/Sep. 13th 2025

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7gtz said:
ALSO, during that event, Clinton personally came out and apologised for it. An official investigation was also launched with official apologies and claims that it wasn't deliberate. Do you see Putin apologising for this?
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Not saying it’s of no interest or concern.
But there is a big difference between an overflight of rouge drone and bombing an embassy of a nuclear power in a war zone. With or without apologies from the CnC
 
OReid said:
Not saying it’s of no interest or concern.
But there is a big difference between an overflight of rouge drone and bombing an embassy of a nuclear power in a war zone. With or without apologies from the CnC
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Wasn’t overflight. The drone exploded on NATO soil.
Obviously an embassy is different. I don’t believe in giving Russia the benefit of the doubt.
 
7gtz said:
Wasn’t overflight. The drone exploded on NATO soil.
Obviously an embassy is different. I don’t believe in giving Russia the benefit of the doubt.
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What would be the purpose of sending a drone to explode on NATO territory? A testing of defenses? To see how far it could get?

We really can't dismiss plain old Russian incompetence.
 
Socom7 said:
You appear to be suggesting that NATO was just being paranoid and that the Soviets had no such plans.

Why even have spies, satellites and think tanks - they should just ask you...


Ahh, okay, so now "Europe" equals "France, Italy and Germany". I get it. TBH, kind of a common attitude among Americans...

See? Just redefine what is meant by "Europe" and you win again. 🏆

Also, you're still wrong. Russia wants those countries too.
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Absolutely positively ridiculous 🙄 🤣😂🤣 . Since when was this suppose to have been a plan of Russia? Oh let me guess, always. And your reasoning to lack of abilities is what? Western power,dominance, influence etc etc? So what changed now that suddenly it is a possibility? Apparently Russia is worse off now than ever according to some 😉. People are stuck in a soviet vacuum. Russia is not the soviet union.
Russia is very different. Putin wants entire Europe 🤦‍♂️🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤷‍♂️🤭
 
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DEFCON Warning System said:
What would be the purpose of sending a drone to explode on NATO territory? A testing of defenses? To see how far it could get?
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Testing reactions. Military as well as political. What will the Polish government do? How will NATO react? What will the WH say?

Hardware malfunction is, I would say, less likely, although not outside the realm of possibility. Those drones aren't exactly marvels of engineering.
 
Socom7 said:
Indeed. And this is exactly why Putin wants Ukraine. So that Russia can become the Soviet Union again.

And, once it has become the Soviet Union, it will inevitably want all of Europe. As it did during the Cold War.
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What is the west going to do about it if they truly believe it?
Why haven't they sorted it by now? Let's be serious here please. Your claims 🤣 are how many decades old? Yet apparently still an issue today ?
Russia is crumbling apparently just against Ukraine . The country its economy, military and capabilities are doomed to lose apparently, so you can't have it both ways. Own up which is it? Russia can and will beat Ukraine, or no chance in hell?
No chance = no threat surely atleast until well after Putins leadership? Or Putin is successful in dominantly controlling Ukraine and has time in his leadership role to complete your opinion of his so called ambitions he could have started a decade or two ago ?🤔
Please if the west truly believes than why pussyfoot around? Gutless to call his so called bluffs? Like I stated if bluffs why haven't American and or European independent actors supplied real support in air and naval attacks on Ukrainian territory against Russian military??! Not Russian territory simply Ukrainian territory, why??? Why hasn't independent eu countries or America put uniform soldiers in Ukraine to kill Russian aggressors- soldiers on Ukraine land!Gutless . The west know the truth ,know their diminishing capabilities and know the honest results of said actions they have lacked. You and others like you show desperation in hope , sad really considering the facts . Fact is western so called claims of superiority should have sorted this bullshit years ago and failed. Should have sorted this bullshit in last few yrs and failed . And will continue to fail through hesitation of so called bluffs by Russia. If bluffs than why hesitation? I'm a westerner and even I can see the truth. I guess suffering from warmongering blinds the victims that suffer it. Obviously I don't . Obviously you and others like minded don't like it. Well guess what, you have alot to not like coming . Eg. Yesterday, today , tomorrow and the future ..GOODLUCK WITH THAT .
 
DarkNoon said:
A drone which crashed in eastern Poland most likely came from the direction of Belarus, a regional prosecutor said on Thursday. It was a Russian version of the #Iran regime Shahed drone. This underscores the need for snapback & an arms embargo.
www.reuters.com

Drone that fell in Poland probably came from direction of Belarus, prosecutor says

A drone which crashed into a field in eastern Poland most likely came from the direction of Belarus, a regional prosecutor said on Thursday, following an incident described by the defence minister as a provocation by Belarus' ally Russia.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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An arms embargo here is useless, imho. Russia has fully localised the production of those drones.
 
OReid said:
FFS it sounds like the Hal Turner version of Trump derangement syndrome on here tonight.
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FFS no one even mentioned Trump? Seems like you might have some of the Trump Compulsive Obsessive Disorder? You might want to get that checked out Oreid you keep mentioning Trump in threads that are completely unrelated to him...
 
Interesting video on UGV's being used in Ukraine
 
Also I'd put it out there that calling someone deranged usually omits anything useful you might have had to say 😂 Makes you out to look like just another bot on social media obsessed with buzzwords. Like something a child would say in a debate, really.
 
OReid said:
FFS it sounds like the Hal Turner version of Trump derangement syndrome on here tonight.
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You do realize that by invoking TDS you are effectively declaring that people who disagree with you are mentally ill?

Look up the definition of "derangement" if you don't believe me.

I personally don't care - you're not on my private list of people capable of insulting me - but others may rightfully take offense. It's also against forum guidelines, and tbh it's just poor form... 💁‍♂️
 
Yingyang said:
What is the west going to do about it if they truly believe it?
Why haven't they sorted it by now?
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That is a very good question. My personal take: because Westerners have become fat, complacent, and accustomed to the good life. Same goes for their leaders, and yes, this includes Cheeto Jesus.
Yingyang said:
Please if the west truly believes than why pussyfoot around? Gutless to call his so called bluffs?
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Biden did call a lot of Putin's bluffs, and some of those were gutsy calls. But since Americans have, at large, grown scared of the world and unwilling to wield their power, they instead chose a cowardly crook to lead them. It's going about as well as could be expected. ;)
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
But Trump isn't letting Ukraine go on the offense either. So Russia has absolutely no incentive to end the war on anything but their own terms.
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I am impatiently waiting. Trump almost always comes out ahead whether in court, to court or in negotiations.

That said I’m losing patience waiting for the unpleasantness in the Ukraine to end or for Trump to unleash hell on the Russia.
 
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