Greenland, Canada, Panama & Trumps Ambitions For Them --(CLOSED)

[Publius]

Sure. Because capitulation to Putin and ostracizing our allies is definitely not not risking our national security.

Explain how this is a threat to US national security, or even NATO for that matter.

The defense of Ukraine was never about national security. It was about doing the right thing regarding previous commitments to Ukraine.

NATO states still have the article 5 protections. US and other nato nations all still have troops positioned and training throughout nato states.

Complaining about NATO’s demise on end is as damaging to nato and giving fuel to Putin as anything Putin could do.

Expecting European nations to do more and take a greater lead is not abandonment. That it has taken this level of rhetoric and threats to provoke Europe to take a bigger lead says more about Europe than it does about America.

You’re going to continue to rail about national security, and you’re free to do that. But with out a defense of what’s changed besides statements made saying it’s so or others out of context. It’s just political posturing and little to do with national security.

 

[william]

The likelihood of a US armed invasion of Canada (mirroring the Russian invasion of Ukraine) is steadily increasing. Before this becomes an imminent reality, the US must first complete its transformation into a dictatorial regime. An efficient domestic terror apparatus is required to quash internal dissent within the US, enable unrestricted reallocation of resources to the military, wage an effective war of conquest, subjugate the conquered populace, and exterminate any resistance. An invasion of Greenland is also likely to occur as a trial run before the big showdown.

It is somewhat possible that the political entity known as the United States of America will not survive such a metamorphosis, and will instead destroy itself in a civil war (which would be the preferable scenario from Canada's PoV). Nevertheless, the trajectory the American society has embarked on is unmistakable, and Canada would do well to establish security dialogue with China posthaste.

Wow! The United States is not going to invade any country for territory. The current U.S. administration is just trying to steer these left-wing governments back to the center or center right.

 

[intel-bank]

Wow! The United States is not going to invade any country for territory. The current U.S. administration is just trying to steer these left-wing governments back to the center or center right.

That's not moral, either.

 

[Deleted account]

The United States is not going to invade any country for territory.

That's gonna age well.

 

[Publius]

That's not moral, either.

So if an ally adopts policies that are negatively impacting your nation it is not moral to ask or even use economic means redirect them or gain their cooperation.

I’ve seen a lot of western gov leaders commenting and engaging in US political debate of policies. Threatening to declare us as adversarial states, build a nuclear weapons program.
That’s go to be way down their on the morality spectrum then.

 

[william]

That's gonna age well.

Well, maybe the Panama Canal if the Ci-coms don't vamoose. That's ours anyway though.

 

[NCDinosFan]

Can we start a credit system in the forums were we can bet on outcomes for like show points or something. I'd like to take that America invades over 0.5 countries in the next year . or do a predictions right/wrong thing?

 

[GBS61]

Some people will believe anything.

Nothing is impossible with your new government.

 

[Torch]

You know what I hear in this petulant railing of Trump this, dictator that is a perspective of individuals who are unhappy something new is being tried.

A lot of hyperbolic fear porn most recently the US is going to invade Canada.
Justifying with a graffiti reference from a dead empire. I would point out the bit of graffiti wasn’t sprayed on by a savant or political futurist. It was done by someone who had lived in generational learned oppression.
So that it has some less for Americans today it kinda premature in its prognostics.
It’s like co-opting the lyrics of a old song to newer unrelated event.

Some are mad there teams out of the club house
Some throw around wild conspiracy of US is going to invaded Canada or try and invade and land grab northern Mexico.

I was most humored that Neil Young the man who wrote the protest song “Ohio”.
Will be playing a benefit concert in Ukraine for solidarity.
Oh the absolute fucking irony of that.
I’ve got friends who are actual 60’s anti war hippies who run banners slava Ukrania.

that’s when you know it’s not about policy it’s just about if your political animal is on top.
Like a mob moving down the street it’s followed and aped mindlessly repeating syllables strung together in rhythmic cadences

They are all brave little Chickenhawks aren’t they?

Liberals get that way. The affliction strikes so after draft age ends. Very strange…

 

[Torch]

Can we start a credit system in the forums were we can bet on outcomes for like show points or something. I'd like to take that America invades over 0.5 countries in the next year . or do a predictions right/wrong thing?

Ha ha. First we need to define what is an invasion? Wait that’s second. First we need do define what is is.

 

[GBS61]

Americans have no desire to invaded assimilate or take responsibility for.

it's not the American people who decide, tariffs were not part of Trump's promises.
You can always continue to sleep

 

[GBS61]

Ha ha. First we need to define what is an invasion? Wait that’s second. First we need do define what is is.

So go ahead, please give us your own definition.

 

[Publius]

it's not the American people who decide, tariffs were not part of Trump's promises.
You can always continue to sleep

I’m not sure you familiarized yourself enough with Trumps campaign propose to make this claim. Tariffs were always a key component of his campaign. Maybe I’m not the one who’s been asleep.

and as we continue to melt down about tariffs I would again point out many of the tariffs Trump imposed in his first term were left in place by Biden. Some were even extended. Why because they worked.

Trump favors huge new tariffs. How do they work?

Former President Donald Trump has proposed a 60% tariff on goods from China and a 20% tariff on everything else the United States imports. This week, he raised the ante still higher.

www.pbs.org

 

[GBS61]

There is no point in arguing with the GOP, they only understand actions, the best thing is to make them suffer their own decisions, that looks like Putin.

 

[Publius]

There is no point in arguing with the GOP, they only understand actions, the best thing is to make them suffer their own decisions, that looks like Putin.

So PBS isn’t a valid source?

 

[Deleted account]

I’m not sure you familiarized yourself enough with Trumps campaign propose to make this claim. Tariffs were always a key component of his campaign. Maybe I’m not the one who’s been asleep.

Oh, Trump absolutely did promise to slap tariffs on Canada - he just lied about why he's doing it.

Using Fentanyl trafficking as an excuse for starting a huge trade war with your biggest economic partner is so idiotic that it doesn't merit any further comment. We're talking flat-Earther levels of gullibility here.

The real reason is, of course, the idea that the US can somehow economically strangle Canada into submission until it willingly allows itself to be annexed. This is absurd, but it's entirely plausible that Trump believes it. Judging by his repeated comments on how Canadians allegedly want to become part of the US, he's probably mired in a Putinesque delusion (remember; Putin did actually believe that his tanks would be greeted with flowers in Kyiv).

Economic pressure will not produce the outcome Trump seeks, leaving military intervention as the only other path forward if he's serious about his annexation plans. You're free to believe he's "just joking". I believe otherwise, and the majority of the Canadian political class appears to share my PoV.

 

[Publius]

Oh, Trump absolutely did promise to slap tariffs on Canada - he just lied about why he's doing it.

Using Fentanyl trafficking as an excuse for starting a huge trade war with your biggest economic partner is so idiotic that it doesn't merit any further comment. We're talking flat-Earther levels of gullibility here.

The real reason is, of course, the idea that the US can somehow economically strangle Canada into submission until it willingly allows itself to be annexed. This is absurd, but it's entirely plausible that Trump believes it. Judging by his repeated comments on how Canadians allegedly want to become part of the US, he's probably mired in a Putinesque delusion (remember; Putin did actually believe that his tanks would be greeted with flowers in Kyiv).

Economic pressure will not produce the outcome Trump seeks, leaving military intervention as the only other path forward if he's serious about his annexation plans. You're free to believe he's "just joking". I believe otherwise, and the majority of the Canadian political class appears to share my PoV.

Which is more flat earth, trying something different or ignoring and doing nothing?

Of course tariffs are not a preferred option and can be destructive.
Tariffs are not some gold calf that can never mentioned.
They are a tool that should be used infrequently.
And if there so bad why does Canada have almost triple digit tariffs and duties on US dairy products. They do that to PROTECT there countries markets.

What all should be absolutely pissed off about is that Canada is unwilling to work with the US to curb fentanyl distribution.

 

[william]

Oh, Trump absolutely did promise to slap tariffs on Canada - he just lied about why he's doing it.

Using Fentanyl trafficking as an excuse for starting a huge trade war with your biggest economic partner is so idiotic that it doesn't merit any further comment. We're talking flat-Earther levels of gullibility here.

The real reason is, of course, the idea that the US can somehow economically strangle Canada into submission until it willingly allows itself to be annexed. This is absurd, but it's entirely plausible that Trump believes it. Judging by his repeated comments on how Canadians allegedly want to become part of the US, he's probably mired in a Putinesque delusion (remember; Putin did actually believe that his tanks would be greeted with flowers in Kyiv).

Economic pressure will not produce the outcome Trump seeks, leaving military intervention as the only other path forward if he's serious about his annexation plans. You're free to believe he's "just joking". I believe otherwise, and the majority of the Canadian political class appears to share my PoV.

I'll just leave this here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897300209362985420

 

[Deleted account]

I'll just leave this here.

Oh, sure, there are Canadians who want to join the USA. It's a big country; lots of people, lots of different viewpoints. Congratulations for having found one such person; I bet you'll find more if you keep looking.

But seriously, you cannot make Canada willingly surrender its soverignty to the US by applying economic pressure. To believe otherwise is, well, a symptom of advanced MAGA. Even Russia didn't manage that with the Donbas - and believe me, there were many more people in places like Donetsk who wanted to join Russia than there are Albertans who want to join the US. It took a full-on military invasion to wrest those territories away from Ukraine, and it will likewise require an invasion in this case.

Trump probably doesn't yet realize any of this - the senile cretin that he is - but he'll come around. After all, this trade war is also doing a lot of damage to the US, and sunk cost fallacy will eventually force him to double down.

Meanwhile, the percentage of Canadians who view the USA as Canada's enemy is now at 27% and rapidly rising. Oh, and also this (source):

 

[GBS61]

I'll just leave this here.

It's only one person, your proof doesn't hold water, only 10% want it

If Canada ever becomes a US state, it will have the same electoral weight as California and will vote Democrat, bye bye GOP for 100 years.