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Greenland, Canada, Panama & Trumps Ambitions For Them --(CLOSED)
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Trudeau was going down in flames until Trump decided to repeatedly insult him in public. Now he's Mr. Canada, and his party is soaring in the polls.
Honestly, world leaders should be queuing up to get kicked out of the WH the way Zelensky was. It's amazing what that does to your popular support at home.
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It's a little bit more complicated than that I guess. Trudeau has a couple things going for him and one of them is something that would normally go against him.Trudeau was going down in flames until Trump decided to repeatedly insult him in public. Now he's Mr. Canada, and his party is soaring in the polls.
Honestly, world leaders should be queuing up to get kicked out of the WH the way Zelensky was. It's amazing what that does to your popular support at home.
He's a compelling public speaker who is really good in a crisis, he proved that during covid, early on he really captured the nation.
He's really good at projecting calm and measured strength, a kind of strength that is not bombastic and that maybe the USA does not appreciate as much, but that carried us through Trump's first term.
He's a statesman, classy at pretty much all times (except for a few... famous blunders), but also with enough personality to be likeable. He's more honest than most politicians (though it's not saying much) and not very populist.
He's good at making relationships with other nations.
And finally, he is the embodiment of an establishment Liberal (for the Americans here, this doesn't mean the same thing it does there, it is just the name of a party which is socially progressive, economically center-right): Perfectly competent in terms of like keeping the lights on and the trains moving but deeply ineffective when it comes to meaningful change, breaks promises and is slow to react to brewing crises.
Now, being a boring, suspiciously perfect seeming, ineffective, centrist prime minister who seems to be keeping things mostly treading water but nonetheless noticeably declining (whether truly due to factors at home or global pressures, or due to policies started by previous admins that he has done nothing to avert course on due to his donors which is mostly where the housing crisis comes into play), who excels in a crisis scenario.... is really not that good when there isn't actually an immediate threat and it's been nearly a decade and there are some scandals to exploit and none of the underlying social problems that lead people to hate the government and want change every few years regardless of who they're actually voting for have been addressed.
But it's really good when the neighbor puts on a display of incompetence so grand, and a display of barbaric machismo that our culture rejects so grand, that it disgusts us, headed by a man who is the opposite of that: He's a good speaker insofar as he can fire people up but he is borderline incoherent at times and does nothing but lie, his policies are polar opposite, he is belligerent and does not respect the sovereignty of other nations, he is not classy at all and berates other world leaders in public, he makes sweeping changes for social objectives that he promised but shakes things so much that it causes trouble keeping the lights on (see tariffs and resulting farmer relief last time that ended up costing nearly 100% of the benefit of the tariff, all this DOGE stuff right now) etc..
It makes people stop to appreciate it when they then see Trudeau giving clear, articulated speeches, making new relationships with other world leaders, and, while not making ground breaking improvements, keeping things running more or less smoothly when they see the slash-and-burn approach happening down south.
It also causes problems for our Conservative party, who styled themselves as Canadian MAGA, even adopting "Canada First" alongside other aesthetic choices, and made their whole thing insulting Trudeau with sound-byte insults and the Carbon Tax, to get hit with a combo all at once of MAGA turning on Canada as an ally and fomenting incredible amounts of hatred, the right wing down south doing downright embarrassing things policy-wise and showing an outright disrespect for the law as well, Trudeau simultaneously stepping up to a crisis and resigning, and the likely new Liberal guy not really being that into the Carbon Tax either...
and thus we got here with the conservatives plummeting in the polls and fumbling what could have been the easiest election in history.
This wouldn't have worked for him if he was Pierre, for example.
Potentially, if we actually survive having the USA for neighbors long-term after all this, and bounce back from the tariffs situation - I'd thank Trump, for saving Canada, inadvertently, by showing us the dark path we could have gone down and letting us avert course, and for uniting our country to an incredible degree that nobody here has ever really seen in our rebuke of his desire to annex our nation.
For now though, I shiver with antici.....
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BREAKING: U.S. President Donald Trump said Thursday he is again pausing his tariffs on Canadian goods, offering the country yet another roughly month-long reprieve from a punishing 25 per cent levy.
We've done nothing but announce counter measures for this latest round. I am glad even he understands that the outcome will be too damaging to the US economy and turned tail. That or he is only doing these tariffs and delays to create chaos and blow up the US hegemony (and turn the market into a flash sale monthly for his buddies, lol) and knew he cannot follow through from the start. Can only really be one or the other.
The numbers are staggering...
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I personally don't see China as invading Taiwan this year. We're talking about the biggest amphibious assault operation in all of history, dwarfing D-Day. The preparations would already be overt and in full swing if that were in the cards.
Also, what do you mean by "we will need Canada and Greenland"? You already have Canada and Greenland for the purposes of any military conflict with China. Canada has been your closest ally for hundreds of years - Canadians literally died for America, and not in small numbers - and you have free reign, militarily, in Greenland, as part of NATO arrangements. That is, of course, unless your president screws up the US/Canadian alliance and NATO - in which case you will need to militarily conquer Canada and Greenland in order to "have" them. Which is sort of my whole point.
But realistically speaking - after ditching all your remaining allies, and with all the internal chaos going on in the USA, you don't stand a chance in a global conflict against China, Russia and their satellites. WW3 will end either with nuclear holocaust, or a conventional defeat of the United States, followed promptly by dissolution of the Union and civil war (with nukes aplenty).
Used to be a saying during the Cold War: "Come see Europe while it's still there!" Same goes for America now.
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CANADA SUSPENDS IMPORTS FROM SMITHFIELD FOODS PORK PLANT IN TAR HEEL, NORTH CAROLINA, USDA WEBSITE SHOWS
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Who is causing the chaos in US politics today. Did you watch the State of The Union speech? It was shameful.I personally don't see China as invading Taiwan this year. We're talking about the biggest amphibious assault operation in all of history, dwarfing D-Day. The preparations would already be overt and in full swing if that were in the cards.
Also, what do you mean by "we will need Canada and Greenland"? You already have Canada and Greenland for the purposes of any military conflict with China. Canada has been your closest ally for hundreds of years - Canadians literally died for America, and not in small numbers - and you have free reign, militarily, in Greenland, as part of NATO arrangements. That is, of course, unless your president screws up the US/Canadian alliance and NATO - in which case you will need to militarily conquer Canada and Greenland in order to "have" them. Which is sort of my whole point.
But realistically speaking - after ditching all your remaining allies, and with all the internal chaos going on in the USA, you don't stand a chance in a global conflict against China, Russia and their satellites. WW3 will end either with nuclear holocaust, or a conventional defeat of the United States, followed promptly by dissolution of the Union and civil war (with nukes aplenty).
Used to be a saying during the Cold War: "Come see Europe while it's still there!" Same goes for America now.
If the left wing of congress would work with President Trump in his effort to get rid of the waste, fraud and abuse in the US budget the US could deploy two 500 ship navies. One on each coast plus two more divisions of US Marines so we could have one on the northeast coast and one on the southeast coast. The same for the west coast.
In my opinion it is the left wing (democrats) that have caused the US to not win a war since the end of WWII. If this country falls it will be because of them. They tried once already. The Civil War.
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60% of Americans
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I don't speak English, I don't understand the context of this post, or its implications, please explain.
I can tell you that when you see something like this, the president of the United States is insane.
I can tell you that when you see something like this, the president of the United States is insane.
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That's not news to anyone.
To quote @DEFCON Warning System - "May you get the government you deserve. May you get it long and hard."
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Is this moving goalposts to say that we indeed do need to take foreign territories under our control? The original goalpsst was denying that we ever needed the foreign territories in the first place..
You know, what would be much more strategic and militarily effective.. Would be to have secret military intelligence meetings with Canada & Denmark about the Chinese wartime threat & discretely interact with Panama to prepare to blockade China. You'd think that the current approach being taken has the chances of being wildly ineffective, noisy, and revealing to China, no?
Sure you could argue there's some chinese corruption/drug money flowing around, but it doesn't change world orders that drastically to make these NATO and allied governments flat out to refuse to assist the US in defending an island nation. Hell I bet you'd be able to invoke article 4 no questions asked even if the US wasnt involved.
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Not moving the goalposts… just observing where they actually are.
So, China has been doing this exact thing against us for decades by subverting us, stealing our tech, and modeling their world after ours. China did it quietly, but Trump isn’t quiet unless he has to be. He doesn’t need to be quiet here. He is sending a message to China and the World. These steps would need to be taken anyway, so loud or not doesn’t matter anymore.
Not sure what you are getting at here.
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Not gonna pass.
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Trump critic Mark Carney poised to replace Trudeau as Canada's prime minister
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Canada's incoming prime minister, Mark Carney:"These are dark days. Dark days brought on by a country we can no longer trust. We are getting over the shock, but let us never forget the lessons"
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"Tell me, Mr. Freeman, if you can. You have destroyed so much. What is it exactly that you have created?"
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