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Greenland, Canada, Panama & Trumps 'Ambitions' For Them

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How could this possibly not be political? Don’t worry I didn’t log in to debate an election, but seems it’s a-ok if everyone else shares how good it is we are invading countries but it’s “no politics” if I disagree 🤷‍♂️
I didn't name anyone. And in fact no party politics has been mentioned. I was being preemptive.

Maybe you should take a break from the forums/news if you can't even take a polite request blanketed at everyone. Also don't make this about you please.
 
I’ve said what I’ve said about Venezuela and am uninterested in arguing about it.

I was just stating obviously countries will begin to ask if Trump will do the same to them.
And that is all I have done. You’re free to your conclusions and expressing them.
That’s all I’ve done, we just disagree.
There is nothing earth shattering that individuals might have different views and reach different conclusions.
 
I didn't name anyone. And in fact no party politics has been mentioned. I was being preemptive.

Maybe you should take a break from the forums/news if you can't even take a polite request blanketed at everyone. Also don't make this about you please.
right, the second I share an opinion on anything it’s too political, I forgot.

Don’t worry, I’ll log back off this cosplaying forum just for you.
 
Seems that congress doesn’t have to approve military actions anymore, so have you changed your opinion?

Oh how the turntables
Unsure what you're referring to. If you read my post closely, you will note that I did not refer to any military action - instead, I wrote "It's an interesting question how Trump might go about formally annexing Greenland - as essentially any major change in the status quo would require congressional approval." This is not an opinion - it's a statement of fact. The Territorial Clause, found in Article IV, Section 3, clause 2 of the US Constitution, grants Congress the authority "to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States." This applies even to unincorporated territories such as Guam, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. Regarding statehood - again, congressional approval is required ("New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union." - Art. IV section 3). Trump cannot unilaterally declare that Greenland (or any other place) is henceforth part of the US.

If what you're referring to is my statement that the US Congress is on its way towards becoming a sham parliament, of the kind you see in dictatorships - this is indeed an opinion, and I stand by it.
 
Unsure what you're referring to. If you read my post closely, you will note that I did not refer to any military action - instead, I wrote "It's an interesting question how Trump might go about formally annexing Greenland - as essentially any major change in the status quo would require congressional approval." This is not an opinion - it's a statement of fact. The Territorial Clause, found in Article IV, Section 3, clause 2 of the US Constitution, grants Congress the authority "to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States." This applies even to unincorporated territories such as Guam, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. Regarding statehood - again, congressional approval is required ("New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union." - Art. IV section 3). Trump cannot unilaterally declare that Greenland (or any other place) is henceforth part of the US.

If what you're referring to is my statement that the US Congress is on its way towards becoming a sham parliament, of the kind you see in dictatorships - this is indeed an opinion, and I stand by it.
There really are only two ways of going about it that I could accept.
The people in Greenland have a referendum and vote overwhelmingly for it.
Or the US pays Denmark for it.
Honestly I don’t know the feasibility of either.

Greenland gained Home Rule in 79, self rule in in 09. Denmark only controls defense, currency, and foreign affairs.
I’m not including the Home Rule and Self rule as a defense one way or the other. Just for information and perspective.

I did a search regarding whether Trump actually ever said “he doesn’t rule out taking it by force”
Goes all the way back to march where nbc journalist said he told her this on a phone call. No transcript or recording. Other main stream outlets have repeated this but none have independently verified it. Then in the fall the Atlantic ran a piece about how the US might take it by force.
They cited hypotheticals and opinions of others. But again no supporting statements given.

The most forceful one was Steven Millers recent statements. Very clearly said Greenland should be apart of the US.
Disregarded any military action to take it.

There is no denying there seems to be a full court press by the administration to acquire Greenland. They are very much using a business hostile take over technique.

Is it in the best interest of the US? It very certainly could be.
Is there any methodology that might have worked to cause Denmark to sell their territory other than this approach? Maybe but I doubt it would have survived the multi administrations needed to achieve it.

It is not some obscene thing for one nation to encourage the sale of territorial holding of another nation.
It’s certainly much more civilized that invading it.

So again an overwhelming referendum by the people of Greenland, out right purchase or ideally a combination of both.
These are the only justifiable ways forward.
 
There really are only two ways of going about it that I could accept.
The people in Greenland have a referendum and vote overwhelmingly for it.
Or the US pays Denmark for it.
Honestly I don’t know the feasibility of either.

Greenland gained Home Rule in 79, self rule in in 09. Denmark only controls defense, currency, and foreign affairs.
I’m not including the Home Rule and Self rule as a defense one way or the other. Just for information and perspective.

I did a search regarding whether Trump actually ever said “he doesn’t rule out taking it by force”
Goes all the way back to march where nbc journalist said he told her this on a phone call. No transcript or recording. Other main stream outlets have repeated this but none have independently verified it. Then in the fall the Atlantic ran a piece about how the US might take it by force.
They cited hypotheticals and opinions of others. But again no supporting statements given.

The most forceful one was Steven Millers recent statements. Very clearly said Greenland should be apart of the US.
Disregarded any military action to take it.

There is no denying there seems to be a full court press by the administration to acquire Greenland. They are very much using a business hostile take over technique.

Is it in the best interest of the US? It very certainly could be.
Is there any methodology that might have worked to cause Denmark to sell their territory other than this approach? Maybe but I doubt it would have survived the multi administrations needed to achieve it.

It is not some obscene thing for one nation to encourage the sale of territorial holding of another nation.
It’s certainly much more civilized that invading it.

So again an overwhelming referendum by the people of Greenland, out right purchase or ideally a combination of both.
These are the only justifiable ways forward.
And the chances of the Greenlanders voting in favour, let alone 'overwhelmingly' for annexation by the US is precisely zero.
 
For the uneducated liberals who think Trump is unhinged for wanting to acquire Greenland, it should be noted that the United States has maintained a longstanding interest in acquiring Greenland from Denmark, spanning over 150 years. The first documented U.S. attempt occurred in 1867, shortly after the Alaska Purchase. Expansionist Robert J. Walker, former Treasury Secretary under President Polk, proposed acquiring Greenland and Iceland to Secretary of State William Seward. Reasons included access to minerals like cryolite (essential for aluminum production), fisheries, coal deposits, and harbors to facilitate navigation to Alaska. Strategically, it aimed to encircle British Canada, potentially encouraging its annexation to the U.S.
In 1910, under President Taft, U.S. Ambassador to Denmark Maurice Egan proposed a complex territorial exchange: ceding Philippine islands like Mindanao to Denmark, which would then trade them to Germany for Schleswig-Holstein territories lost in 1864. In return, the U.S. would gain Greenland. Egan argued Denmark undervalued the island’s potential. Denmark rejected the convoluted plan outright.
During World War II, after Germany’s 1940 occupation of Denmark, the U.S. signed the 1941 Defense of Greenland Agreement with Danish Ambassador Henrik Kauffmann (representing the government-in-exile). This allowed U.S. forces to establish bases, airfields, and weather stations on the island to counter potential Axis threats in the North Atlantic. Post-war, the U.S. retained presence via the 1951 NATO agreement, including Thule Air Base (now Pituffik Space Base).
In December 1946, amid emerging Cold War tensions, Secretary of State James Byrnes formally proposed purchasing Greenland for $100 million in gold bullion during talks with Danish Foreign Minister Gustav Rasmussen. Alternatives included trading Alaskan oil-rich lands or debt forgiveness. Motivations: Greenland’s role as a radar outpost, potential missile site, and defense against Soviet incursions. Denmark rejected the offer, citing sovereignty concerns; the proposal remained classified until 1991.
U.S. interest persisted through the Cold War. In 1947, officials suggested forgiving Denmark’s wartime debts in exchange for Greenland. By 1955, under Eisenhower, the Pentagon reiterated its strategic value for rocket and radar installations. No further formal offers advanced, but military basing rights expanded.
This is not a Trump idea. This is a longstanding American ambition bc it is CRITICAL to world safety.
 
For the uneducated liberals who think Trump is unhinged for wanting to acquire Greenland (...)
Translated from fascistspeak into English:

Why y'all calling me unhinged for wanting to burn down my neighbor's house? It's something my family wanted to do for decades! My dad wanted to buy that house from him, but the selfish f***er wouldn't sell. That house blocks my view of the ocean. Demolishing it is not my idea. It's a longstanding ambition of our family because it's CRITICAL to our property values!
 
Translated from fascistspeak into English:

Why y'all calling me unhinged for wanting to burn down my neighbor's house? It's something my family wanted to do for decades! My dad wanted to buy that house from him, but the selfish f***er wouldn't sell. That house blocks my view of the ocean. Demolishing it is not my idea. It's a longstanding ambition of our family because it's CRITICAL to our property values!
Everyone is looking forward to the US using military force on Greenland. Pity it won't happen that way. Exciting if so.
 
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