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Should the U.S. Reassess Its Military Role in Europe and Shift Focus to Asia?

Snowfall said:
Yes they are, 20 years after we asked them to the first time and only because they’re afraid of the United States leaving them on their own. Which again raises the question, is it really an alliance if one member is collectively response for the entire thing staying together?
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awesome point, yes, dump all costly allies, who needs them?👍🏻
But i font understand the quote reference 🤔
 
GBS61 said:
He's especially angry at Trump, your beloved president.
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1 he’s not my “beloved” president, just my president. 2. Once again, this is not a new problem as much as everyone likes to act like Trump created it. The U.S. pivot to Asia started under Obama, and he was criticized by the Europeans for it. He was also criticized for saying Europe was spending too little on defense.

 
Iranian capacity and capabilities is no comparison to China. Neither were the houthis. Yet both iran and the houthis on seperate occasions have kept the US NAVY at distance. China is much more capable of this for their scenario and theatre. The US NAVY are well aware of this. Bugger all they can do for taiwan due to proximity to mainland China.
 
Yingyang said:
Iranian capacity and capabilities is no comparison to China. Neither were the houthis. Yet both iran and the houthis on seperate occasions have kept the US NAVY at distance. China is much more capable of this for their scenario and theatre. The US NAVY are well aware of this. Bugger all they can do for taiwan due to proximity to mainland China.
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They’re not at a distance though. The U.S. has been launching strikes from destroyers and flying sorties from carriers. But I also don’t peruse the propaganda section of twitter that you probably do which claims the Iranians have sunk 10 carriers, killed 100,000 soldiers, and shot down 500 F16s.
 
Snowfall said:
They’re not at a distance though. The U.S. has been launching strikes from destroyers and flying sorties from carriers. But I also don’t peruse the propaganda section of twitter that you probably do which claims the Iranians have sunk 10 carriers, killed 100,000 soldiers, and shot down 500 F16s.
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And my burnt toast. Don't forget Iran burned my facking toast!
 
NuclearID said:
I wish this was a joke. Sadly your not kidding. Amount of fake AI content being pushed by Iran is quite something...
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I’ve seen so much cope from pro-Iranian westerners the past few weeks it’s no longer funny. The amount of people that trash talk the U.S. government sure like to give them a hell of a lot of credit, because they really believe they’re capable of covering up evidence that 10s, if not hundreds, of thousands of people would be able to release.
 
Snowfall said:
I’ve seen so much cope from pro-Iranian westerners the past few weeks it’s no longer funny. The amount of people that trash talk the U.S. government sure like to give them a hell of a lot of credit, because they really believe they’re capable of covering up evidence that 10s, if not hundreds, of thousands of people would be able to release.
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I understand the frustration some, possibly yourself, definitely nuclear id as announced are suffering from.
Continuous conflicts and bugger all acheivements as end results.
You see this once again , another conflict under estimating yet another foe , high chance of leaving with no real acheivements like so many previously. Not to worry this won,t be as long as afghanistan or vietnam or etc etc. Atleast iraq is on your side for now , only acheived through success previously 🤔🤭😉. Or are they? I mean you tried with iraq before, supported them with chemical weapons etc against iran , yet here we are again much more directly and still changing nothing. International pressure will end this more than Trump or US forces. Because normal people can see from history that once again this was/is a cluster fuck once again , with much worse and bigger outcomes for the globe to deal with for a while after this is claimed to end.
Eg. Oil /fuel shortages
Gas shortages
Fertilizer shortages
Petro chemical shortages affecting a huge range of products.
Eventually food shortages due after conflict ends.
Etc etc .
All caused for a threatened empire at the near end of its term desperately hanging on to a short period of global influence.
 
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Lets be completely honest and blunt. Ww2 without the ALLIANCES meaning EROPEAN FORCES and OTHERS along with the SOVIET UNION working TOGETHER while taking the the majority of losses compared to the US when they joined in as a team all defeated the germans in europe TOGETHER.
Pacific theatre was also supported as a ALLIANCE with CHINA and OTHERS to fight the japanese. Australia had brief visits from both japanese mainly and german aswell. But at no time was it solely or only because of america that battles were won in areas/theatres.
Japanese were petrified of the SOVIET UNION who were about to enter that theatre just as America dropped the 2 atomic bombs. So Americans who beleive this was the sole reason of their claim as to who and how the war was won should chat to a few japanese historians for a less bias view of possible reasons as to how it all really came about.
But basically the Americans come across to others globally as if (they think they won the war) which in all honesty only helped as an ALLIANCE with others as a TEAM . The CARNEGIE COUNCIL BACKS THIS REASON OF JAPANESE SURRENDER DUE TO SOVIET UNION AND MANCHURA INVASION ALONG WITH JAPANESE HISTORIONS. It was easier for japan to blame a miracle weapon for surrender than face the invasion from the SOVIET UNION. (FACT). CARNEGIE COUNCIL RATED 4/4 acreditted by the US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. Any issue feel free to take it up with any of those sources mentioned. 😉
 
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NuclearID said:
Whatever excuse it takes to explain away EU governments shortsightedness and a 1 easy step plan to self sabotage. It's over. Hope Europe is ready to stand on its own entirely because we are quickly snowballing to a total withdraw from Europe and obligations tied to it.

Honestly. That's great. We need to focus on China anyways. So hope it was worth it EU. And hope your ready for what comes next.

Time to put on the big girl panties now because we will no longer be holding your hands when dealing with the school yard bully, the EU Governments should be more than capable of handling themselves regardless.

Cause & effect. Something Europeans government just never seem to learn.
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NuclearID said:
Trump says U.S. strongly considering NATO exit.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2039285281497420129
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This whole thread went sideways and while there is not outright rules violations, many of you are dancing on the line. We can keep this locked till Riff Raff or DWS decide otherwise.
 
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Snowfall said:
How have people still not read the Budapest memorandum? All it says, is that the signatories would take any violations to the UN Security Council. That’s it. There is absolutely ZERO requirement for them to do anything beyond that, which is the reason Ukraines president at the time said this would happen.
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The UN Security Council is dysfunctional because of the veto power of five countries: the USA, Russia, China, France, and the UK.

Three countries—China, Russia, and the USA—abuse it extensively for their own interests. They are the problem, so if even one of them uses it, everything is blocked. Therefore, it cannot be called the United Nations.
 
GBS61 said:
The UN Security Council is dysfunctional because of the veto power of five countries: the USA, Russia, China, France, and the UK.

Three countries—China, Russia, and the USA—abuse it extensively for their own interests. They are the problem, so if even one of them uses it, everything is blocked. Therefore, it cannot be called the United Nations.
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You’re not gonna hear me disagree
 
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A host went on live TV begging ordinary Iranians NOT to leak the hiding locations of regime officials to Israel! He literally cried that if the people expose their coordinates, “it's over” and they will be eliminated.The Islamic Republic is terrified because they know the ultimate truth: millions of Iranians are acting as the eyes and ears of Israel on the ground. The Iranian people are actively cooperating to hunt down their oppressors. We are allies in this fight.
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This is not the first time I have seen reports of this.
https://twitter.com/x/status/2039360626221256833
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