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Socialism- Fascism- Nationalism - Isolationalism - Liberalism

DarkNoon said:
I'm pointing out the directors bias twords the left and him trying to POORLY relate subliminally all of the left who support socialist bills or laws with nazis/fascist and what they supposedly all become. Give me a break please. Lol
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I am pointing out that control inevitably leads to hyper-control. While socialism is about control, I was not making a comment on Left or Right. Only that power, as the saying goes, corrupts.

Someone on the Right, given enough control, can easily become fascist as well.

You were the one who tried to differentiate Hitler from socialism when in fact he was a socialist.
 
Peter Griffin said:
But why that word? Why the sudden shift in the last 10 years? We were fine with using the word Patriot for 200+ years. Why all of the sudden when a movement that espouses that every other country owes you something, it's okay to describe yourself as a nationalist? Because they aren't using it for the good of others, I can tell you that.
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I never described myself as a nationalist, what you are speaking of is a reaction to endlessly being accused of having nationalist with leanings in a negative pejorative sense as a fascist. I was simply pointing out that out that having nationalist leanings is not in and of itself a bad thing.
It is a term that has been used in the negative by liberals to cast and hue conservatives as pseudo fascist during the Trump era.

I am simply pointing out that being strong on American first policies is not a negative.

And I will remind everyone that national fascist were just modified socialist looking for a means to wrench more power from the citizenry.

So call me a patriot a nationalist, whatever it’s has no meaning to me in the context it has been used in the last ten years.

Interesting historical context. Washington and Jefferson had a bit of a spat about Americans foreign policy and involvement.
Washington said we were not conceived as a nation to meddle in the affairs of European nations. Jefferson disagreed.
So from this time forward I would like to be know as a Washingtonian thank you very much!
 
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Google really is a great thing you know. Not socialism. Nice misinformation though guys!
 
Its like conservatives are afraid to own that Hitler was a product of the far right and is closer to their own political alignment than they would like to admit.
 
Why do people get a cult following behind an individual that doesn't know they exist or give a single fuck about them?

But it Biden, Trump, Hillary, (I think Obama cared via his policy), Bush, ETC.

You people are trying your personality and sense of self to and individual that would offer you as cannon or as a sacrifice for something they themselves wish to achieve without regard for you.

If you believe some "mystical power or figure" is watching over you that's a inflated sense of self.

It's like when a manager wants everyone to perform better at a job so they give tips "it's not to make the job easier or "better" for the workers" aka the "scum under them". It's to get their bonus.

This is what your political structure attempted to establish and it's doing that very thing. You both are attacking each other and defending a face that doesn't care that you exist or want to help you unless it's within their motive of profit (self profit) and the illusion it helps you.

If many of you read a books and keep yourself highly knowledgeable you'd see this pattern and stop fighting your fellow states people. You'd instead look at the constructs.

You middle class and high middle class and low class are fighting yourself. For the "approval or sense of being apart of something" that someone who doesn't give a fuck about you or if you get killed tomorrow.

Just because you struggled in one part of life doesn't mean others should have to. I came from a shitty part of Korea, but I want Americans or Korean youth to have to do it because I did? No that's fucking stupid and "psychopathic".

Just because Mark Jones went to the Marines doesn't mean everyone should have to. Just because Peter chooses to not go to college and goes into trades doesn't mean that opportunity should be cut off for others.

You people here bitch and complain and fight your fellow states people over statistical margins of error instead of looking at a bigger picture and causation because you failed to follow basic mathematics courses and statistics when in high school or middle school.

Learn to look at p values and t stats, look at the odds of it happening to an individual, look at the economic opportunity it offers to people in the future and for the country compared to bitching about why people need to be dead broke poor like you.

There are so many sick people that are poor and fucked up because of their own decisions, but those people shouldn't want to self suicide and pull the noose on everyone because they hate themselves. Don't cut social supports on people who are trying to get education or get back on their feet to be productive.

Don't go killing and being a prick to people because your life opportunity didn't afford you to see another side. This exact concept is known as ethnocentrism and your negative connotations to an initial view of a grouping shouldn't determine your view on the overall grouping.

The rich want you people to fight like this because it stops you from skilling up and becoming smart and creating generational wealth. It stops you from being free or yourself because of some stupid pandering against people in the same economic class as you.


To be honest you middle and low class people shouldn't argue because it only makes those above you richer. Just like when you bitch you management about your coworker... It doesn't do shit for you to argue with the coworker it just gives corporate easier money because they can quit focusing on a real problem and handle the artificial problem you generated over arguing with someone who is more like you than the higher class individual.
 
NCDinosFan said:
Why do people get a cult following behind an individual that doesn't know they exist or give a single fuck about them?

But it Biden, Trump, Hillary, (I think Obama cared via his policy), Bush, ETC.

You people are trying your personality and sense of self to and individual that would offer you as cannon or as a sacrifice for something they themselves wish to achieve without regard for you.

If you believe some "mystical power or figure" is watching over you that's a inflated sense of self.

It's like when a manager wants everyone to perform better at a job so they give tips "it's not to make the job easier or "better" for the workers" aka the "scum under them". It's to get their bonus.

This is what your political structure attempted to establish and it's doing that very thing. You both are attacking each other and defending a face that doesn't care that you exist or want to help you unless it's within their motive of profit (self profit) and the illusion it helps you.

If many of you read a books and keep yourself highly knowledgeable you'd see this pattern and stop fighting your fellow states people. You'd instead look at the constructs.

You middle class and high middle class and low class are fighting yourself. For the "approval or sense of being apart of something" that someone who doesn't give a fuck about you or if you get killed tomorrow.

Just because you struggled in one part of life doesn't mean others should have to. I came from a shitty part of Korea, but I want Americans or Korean youth to have to do it because I did? No that's fucking stupid and "psychopathic".

Just because Mark Jones went to the Marines doesn't mean everyone should have to. Just because Peter chooses to not go to college and goes into trades doesn't mean that opportunity should be cut off for others.

You people here bitch and complain and fight your fellow states people over statistical margins of error instead of looking at a bigger picture and causation because you failed to follow basic mathematics courses and statistics when in high school or middle school.

Learn to look at p values and t stats, look at the odds of it happening to an individual, look at the economic opportunity it offers to people in the future and for the country compared to bitching about why people need to be dead broke poor like you, nor should other Americans.
just because your parents were trash and poor and you had to live through that doesn't mean your kids or anyone else/their kids should have to. When you fight against the opportunity of your fellow middle-low class individuals you're doing nothing but making that situation become a reality for more kids and people.

There are so many sick people that are poor and fucked up because of their own decisions, but those people shouldn't want to self suicide and pull the noose on everyone because they hate themselves. Don't cut social supports on people who are trying to get education or get back on their feet to be productive.

Don't go killing and being a prick to people because your life opportunity didn't afford you to see another side. This exact concept is known as ethnocentrism and your negative connotations to an initial view of a grouping shouldn't determine your view on the overall grouping.

The rich want you people to fight like this because it stops you from skilling up and becoming smart and creating generational wealth. It stops you from being free or yourself because of some stupid pandering against people in the same economic class as you.


To be honest you middle and low class people shouldn't argue because it only makes those above you richer. Just like when you bitch you management about your coworker... It doesn't do shit for you to argue with the coworker it just gives corporate easier money because they can quit focusing on a real problem and handle the artificial problem you generated over arguing with someone who is more like you than the higher class individual.
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What I'm trying to say it's it's really fucked up that poor people want people who complain here about social support programs are bitching and wanting more people to suffer and be poor like them. You shouldn't become associated or try to claim you're like any of your politicians or be a hard to death supporter because they don't even know you're alive or give a flying fuck about you. there's bigger games being played and you're just a joke.

When someone with under 4m total net worth associates and acts like they are similar to someone with 10m+ it's insane. The avg American makes 1.7m in a lifetime. When you argue with your fellow avg american who only has appx 400k in a retirement account or will likely have it, it's stupid as hell and makes you look like a clown. Instead of trying to band together and plot for a way to generate more income or equity so your kids don't need to be as poor as you and struggle. instead you bitch and complain wanting more Americans to be poor and more children to be raised in poor situations so it creates generational poverty just because you had to deal with some bullshit and tash ass parents.
 
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DarkNoon said:
Congress & the American peoples isolationist sentiment hampered Teddy every step on his foreign policy because... you guessed it, they where and the American people where isolationist at the time prior to the great wars.

As I said the president may had higher ambitious ideas but Congress and the American people where not for it and where indeed isolationist by far the majority sentiment at that time.

Spare me the walk around for the squash faced dictator and his ill fought actions currently defiling America and her allies today.
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What books are you reading that having you walking on the left side of things? wall street journal?
 
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Google really is a great thing you know. Not socialism. Nice misinformation though guys!
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Yes, Adolf Hitler was considered an extreme nationalist, particularly a German nationalist, as his ideology, Nazism, was heavily based on the belief in the superiority of the German "Aryan" race and the need to expand German territory ("Lebensraum") through military aggression; this is a core aspect of his political views as outlined in "Mein Kampf."
 
NCDinosFan said:
What I'm trying to say it's it's really fucked up that poor people want people who complain here about social support programs are bitching and wanting more people to suffer and be poor like them. You shouldn't become associated or try to claim you're like any of your politicians or be a hard to death supporter because they don't even know you're alive or give a flying fuck about you. there's bigger games being played and you're just a joke.

When someone with under 4m total net worth associates and acts like they are similar to someone with 10m+ it's insane. The avg American makes 1.7m in a lifetime. When you argue with your fellow avg american who only has appx 400k in a retirement account or will likely have it, it's stupid as hell and makes you look like a clown. Instead of trying to band together and plot for a way to generate more income or equity so your kids don't need to be as poor as you and struggle. instead you bitch and complain wanting more Americans to be poor and more children to be raised in poor situations so it creates generational poverty just because you had to deal with some bullshit and tash ass parents.
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i hate to tell you but welcome to america.... there was a better age before powell in 74-76 told corporations to go to war against the american people. again like i said before red pills in deus ex, i know there is one guy here who does not wanna believe but its a start just gotta do a ton of digging before you and i understand that banksters kinda own ( almost ) everything.
 
Gargolu said:
i hate to tell you but welcome to america.... there was a better age before powell in 74-76 told corporations to go to war against the american people. again like i said before red pills in deus ex, i know there is one guy here who does not wanna believe but its a start just gotta do a ton of digging before you and i understand that banksters kinda own ( almost ) everything.
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The banks do own most everything. Though, I think you can break free; but, most of the ways to turn "Equity" into money is via loans. If I want to properly get my money from the bank without taking tax off my "earnings" I have to take a loan against my "Stocks". That's how most of us do it, we take loans against our stocks to not get the 25% capital gains tax.

Beyond that, yeah if you are a normal american you're taking loans for a house that are 25+ years, or for cars at 5 years, and such. Nobody is really willing to limit their spending. People will buy a brand new car instead of a used one for 2-5k or a reasonable amount.

But, instead of most people buying assets and taking loans against their stock to go against capital gains tax (banks will willingly take stock in return for liquid cash that's not taxable as a "collat"). What you do is some people will buy more stock with it and pull loans from other banks, or they will buy equity in companies they can get seats on and build up.

Though the average person just buys stocks, sells them, and takes the 25% tax, buys a liability instead of an asset.

A brand new car is not an asset, a used car is kind of an asset if you are using it for work (to travel to work). a watch is a liability, a smartphone is an asset, a product that you plan to sell or use to generate money is an asset, a luxury that makes you feel good is a liability.

buy more assets instead of liabilites and pull loans against your assets (or stocks or whatever is your equity) and sprawl it into more income passage ways. so you use loans to generate assets and more money, and you use the assets as collateral. Doing that and owning a business (and using some of that "loan" liquid money as a way to upstart more businesses/branches/ownership and sponsoring with individuals to buy board seats on other companies (via joint ventures with share ownership) is what allowed me to be so successful.

Being rich is just pulling loans that you collat with stocks or equity in other areas and they just offset each other.
 
Hey don't get me wrong I like Deux Ex, and I agree with a lot of it. I just don't think it's 100% accurate for more so how it treated the vaccine and how that was used by the people in power. The corruption aspect of that game is dead on though
 
Peter Griffin said:
Hey don't get me wrong I like Deux Ex, and I agree with a lot of it. I just don't think it's 100% accurate for more so how it treated the vaccine and how that was used by the people in power. The corruption aspect of that game is dead on though
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ya i noticed that but the theories sure came close though.
 
TSARBomba91 said:
Trump fucking around with Greenland and threating his Allies with tariffs is why we didn't let them use our bases. Why should let the US use aour bases when its President tries its Allies like Shit? Trump has a short memory or pretends to.
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Its ok <slips back like at beaten wife> “Its all my fault. Here have a few beers…” <sharpens the kitchen knives and packs bags> … “thats right EU just go to sleep…”


TSARBomba91 said:
Also you can't be a Liberal and a Socialist.
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On what planet?

Liberals are not necessarily socialists but socialists are liberals (afaik without fail)
 
Torch said:
Liberals are not necessarily socialists but socialists are liberals (afaik without fail)
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The two ideologies are diametrically opposed. I have a feeling this is a case of the US definition of "liberal" not making sense to users from the rest of the world. To us a liberal is someone who is pro free market and usually without socially conservative hangups. There are conservative socialists, and there are progressive socialists, there are social Democrats, but there are no liberal socialists, by definition there cannot be. Oftentimes people become liberal because they believe that is the best way forward and because they care about social causes and then "graduate" to socialists after learning (whether right or wrong) that they were incorrect about the economics, but this is more like walking across the aisle after realizing they were wrong than a direct evolution.

The politics is a bit off topic but I hope this actually does help clear up why you and tsar/GBS are talking straight past each other. The language in use means something else in the US where liberal has come to be a colloquialism for a left winger vs the rest of the west who still uses the term in the political theory sense
 
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