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Charmender said:
This is not true.
The only discussion that was ongoing 6 weeks ago, was about the possibility to have Poland shooting down inbound russian missiles over the west of Ukraine.
Missiles, not drones nor aircrafts (which not even Zelensky ever mentioned) .

Poland in the end rejected that possibility.
kyivindependent.com

Poland won't shoot down Russian missiles over Ukraine without NATO's decision

Poland will not comply with Ukraine's request to shoot down Russian missiles heading for western Ukraine, Polish Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz said on July 10.
kyivindependent.com kyivindependent.com

For now...there's been no advancement over this, besides Ukraine's FM trying to convince partners that would not make them a part of the conflict.
But this is nothing new.
(Plus...Poland doesn't fart without NATO's approval, since they all know that if they intervene, and Putin decides to bomb Warsav just to make an example, they would not be able to invoke art. 5 and NATO would probably break up due to the opposing interests and views inside).
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Your talking about and quoting old news. My article insinuates this recently occured, july isnt mentioned once 😂 So... Even my article if you cared to even translate says:
YESTERDAY AT 8:34 PM
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DarkNoon said:
I'm glad you can see the future and know that as a fact. 🙄
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No reason to be so jumpy or sarcastic.
Really doesnt add any value besides the flame.

Unless you don’t have sources that state the contrary there’s no point in keeping this discussion going especially when the only official declaration that we have is that Poland will not intercept Russian missiles. Old or not that’s the most recent one from the polish side.
For now.

Not saying that this cannot change.
But this is the report thread….so no reason to speculate over some hypothetical recent technical talks between Poland and Ukraine about this matter which until now do not exist.
I would have never replied if it was the discussion thread cause it’s your respectful opinion.

The article you posted, that’s based on this declaration from the Ukrainian FE as @DEFCON Warning System said for the one regarding the NATO-Ukrainian council doesn’t add anything concrete. It’s just political talk.
And back in July Poland itself introduced this possibility and then backtracked.
As it happened countless times during the war…take the western trainers on Ukrainian ground. Six months after nothing has been done.

Talks about creating an air shield over Ukraine have been occurring since day one of the Russian invasion.

And for sure there’s no mention about Poland intercepting Russian airplanes over Ukraine.

 
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www.ukrinform.net

General Staff confirms loss of F-16 aircraft

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has confirmed the loss of an F-16 aircraft. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net www.ukrinform.net

“During the approach to the next target, communication with one of the aircraft was lost. As it turned out later, the plane crashed, and the pilot was killed,” the General Staff emphasized.
 

Netherlands Says Ukraine Can Use Its F-16s To Strike Russian Territory​

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One of Ukraine's key allies has said that the country is may use its fighter jets "as it wishes" on strikes inside Russia, reflecting a more relaxed stance on how Kyiv employs Western-supplied weaponry.

Permission to use Western weapons on Russian soil has become a key point of contention between Ukraine and its allies, with Kyiv claiming this could turn the tide in the conflict. The statements from the Dutch top brass indicate that Ukraine's other allies may soon follow suit, loosening restrictions on its activities deeper within Russia.
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Speaking to NOS during a visit to D.C., Eichelsheim said that the U.S. partly shared his country's position on Ukrainian use of Western weaponry, despite Washington maintaining a stricter public stance on this matter.
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His statements on Dutch F-16s were echoed by Dutch Minister of Defense Ruben Brekelmans on Thursday.

"The laws of war say that if Ukraine is attacked from Russia Ukraine may also attack military targets," the minister said, in response to a question about Eichelsheim's earlier comments. "For the F-16s, that would mean that if, for example, a missile is fired from Russia, you can also intercept it with an F-16 over Russia."
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nos.nl

Brekelmans: Oekraïne mag Nederlandse F-16's inzetten op Russisch grondgebied

De minister benadrukte dat Oekraïne zich daarbij aan het oorlogsrecht moet houden, net als Commandant der Strijdkrachten Eichelsheim eerder zei.
nos.nl nos.nl

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Brekelmans: Ukraine may deploy Dutch F-16s on Russian territory​


Ukraine is allowed to use weapons supplied by the Netherlands on Russian territory. This was the answer given by Minister Brekelmans of Defence this morning in response to questions about statements made by the Commander of the Armed Forces Eichelsheim. He told the NOS that Ukraine is also allowed to use Dutch F-16s in Russia, provided that the Ukrainians comply with the military laws of war.
Brekelmans agrees and points out that the Netherlands is also Earlier has made it clear: "The laws of war say that if Ukraine is attacked from Russia Ukraine may also attack military targets. For the F-16s, that would mean that if, for example, a missile is fired from Russia, you can also intercept it with an F-16 over Russia."

'Airports are also legitimate targets'​

The minister says that airfields from which Russian fighter jets take off and with which bombs are fired are also legitimate targets within the laws of war. Brekelmans emphasizes that the attacks should not be aimed at civilian targets: "Ukraine is clearly not allowed to do that. Those are the conditions we have set."
Brekelmans acknowledges that there is discussion with other allies about "what space you would like to give Ukraine". He says that Russia is attacking from ever greater distances and that those attacks with air-guided bombs are becoming more and more intense. "You then have to talk again and again about what Ukraine needs to be able to defend itself."
 
Ben Dhyani said:
www.ukrinform.net

General Staff confirms loss of F-16 aircraft

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has confirmed the loss of an F-16 aircraft. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net www.ukrinform.net

“During the approach to the next target, communication with one of the aircraft was lost. As it turned out later, the plane crashed, and the pilot was killed,” the General Staff emphasized.
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A Ukrainian member of Parliament confirmed that the first F-16 casualty in Ukraine was due to friendly fire from a US made Patriot missile. 1) Years of training in the US to fly the F162) Shortly after flying an F16 being shot down by a US Patriot

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829412060825797037
 
alphaecho said:
A Ukrainian member of Parliament confirmed that the first F-16 casualty in Ukraine was due to friendly fire from a US made Patriot missile. 1) Years of training in the US to fly the F162) Shortly after flying an F16 being shot down by a US Patriot

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829412060825797037
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Not sure what kind of propaganda network this is from because the cause is not known.
The author of that post also sites no source Looking at his other posts there are plenty of clear anti Ukrainian posts and the account has less than 200 followers.
 
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Russian mercenaries from Bears Brigade are being redeployed from Burkina Faso three months after arriving there to defend the Kursk region of Russia - Le MondeViktor "Jedi" Yermolayev, the commander of the brigade, confirmed the redeployment. He wrote that "all Russian soldiers forget about their internal problems and unite against a common enemy."While the Bears Brigade denies ties to Russia's defense ministry, journalists uncovered that Russia's Deputy Defence Minister, Yunus-bek Yevkurov, visited their camp in Crimea to offer support.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1829524137015902319
 
alphaecho said:
A Ukrainian member of Parliament confirmed that the first F-16 casualty in Ukraine was due to friendly fire from a US made Patriot missile. 1) Years of training in the US to fly the F162) Shortly after flying an F16 being shot down by a US Patriot

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829412060825797037
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Nice, no really guys…good work. I can see how it happened as the F-16 looks like, oh nothing else in the world…and on digital radar it looks exactly like, hmm an F-16.
 
apnews.com

Ukraine says US experts have joined the investigation into the crash of a donated F-16

Ukraine says U.S. experts have joined an investigation into why an F-16 warplane that Ukraine received from its Western partners crashed earlier this week during a Russian bombardment.
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Oleshchuk directed scathing criticism at a lawmaker who is deputy head of the Ukrainian parliament’s defense committee for her claims that the F-16 was downed by a Patriot air-defense system. Ukraine has received an unspecified number of the U.S.-made systems.

Mariana Bezuhla cited unnamed sources for her claim and demanded punishment for those responsible for the error.

Oleshchuk accused Bezuhla of defaming the air force and discrediting U.S. arms manufacturers and said that he hoped she would face legal consequences for her claims.”

Can we please stop treating this friendly fire story as fact until we have more information.
 
Torch said:
Nice, no really guys…good work. I can see how it happened as the F-16 looks like, oh nothing else in the world…and on digital radar it looks exactly like, hmm an F-16.
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This proves that many people are unable to be impartial ...
 
GBS61 said:
This proves that many people are unable to be impartial ...
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I not sure what you mean.

I was lamenting MY side in the conflict. That in no way has anything to do with being “impartial”.

I am absolutely partisan. All the Russians in the UA should be killed, captured or routed. Simple position really.
 
www.aljazeera.com

Zelenskyy fires Ukraine’s air force commander after deadly F-16 crash

President Zelenskyy dismisses Mykola Oleshchuk, says country needs to ‘protect personnel’.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
The dismissal came on the same day that Oleshchuk directed scathing criticism at a lawmaker who is deputy head of the Ukrainian parliament’s defence committee for her claims that the F-16 was downed by a Patriot air-defense system. Ukraine has received an unspecified number of the US-made systems.
Mariana Bezuhla cited unnamed sources for her claim and demanded punishment for those responsible for the error.
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The F16 would have an IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) transponder active, how could this happen?
 
william said:
I do think there is allot of electronic interference going on in Ukraine, by both sides, and Ukraine hasn't really had a very active air force, so there's that. :unsure:
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True but it’s a very narrow and short interrogation and response.

“Friendly” Non-NATO or Major Allies Air Defense units are a f*cking menace.
 
Biden refused to send specialists to Ukraine to service F-16
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У Байдена відмовилися спрямувати до України спеціалістів для обслуговування F-16 – WSJ

Як пише WSJ, в адміністрації президента США стурбовані тим, що Пентагон не має адекватних планів реагування, якщо підрядники зазнають нападу в Україні
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Ukrainian forces destroyed another Russian pontoon bridge over the Seym River in Kursk Oblast, further isolating Russian troops on the southern bank.

Seen here, a Ukrainian HIMARS-launched GMLRS rocket detonates near the bridge as it breaks apart and floats downstream.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1829891886880088574
 
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