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Araxen said:
www.newsweek.com

Putin Ally Lukashenko Sees Revolt From Officers Against Ukraine War: Report

Military officers allegedly wrote in an open letter to the Belarusian president that joining Russia to fight in Ukraine would be "pure suicide."
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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If Belarus attacks Ukraine then NATO needs to bomb the hell out of any troops that cross into Ukraine and bomb the Russian forces in Ukraine to bits at the same time. It should only take 24 hours to leave Russia in such a pickle that they have no choice but to pull out and then NATO can sit back and see what happens being ready to defend NATO as a whole. IF Russia flies anything near a NATO state it should be shot down. Its insane how mush money and problems Putin has cost the western world so he needs to be dealt with once and for all. Screw this high priced gas and the raping of Ukraine while Turkey buys all their grain on the cheap. Turkey needs to be given the boot.
 
rudemarine said:
Show us some actual evidence of the Conspiracy crap you just mentioned, not something that just says some nations want no part of bad mouthing Russia for Europe and Americas sake.
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For the Borrell story read the EU GOV website that I linked which if you read he says the Global South was not on our side and complained of double standards.
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The G7 and like-minded countries are united in condemning and sanctioning Russia and in trying to hold the regime accountable. But other countries, and we can speak here of the majority of the “Global South”, often take a different perspective.


In principle, everyone condemns the attack on a country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. But when it comes to naming the aggressor and stating who is responsible for the consequences, many are reticent for different reasons. Some are more concerned about the consequences of the war for themselves, rather than about who is responsible for these difficulties and how to end this war; others complain about “double standards”
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PS. When did this site go from reporting the truth to being another propaganda website for the west! Who mislead post false and misleading information from bogus posters on the web. But yes lets fight to the last Ukrainian and watch the the west collapse into a never ending depression along with irrevalenacy in the world. Best thing that we could do now is revove all sanctions and try and get Russia back on our side but that is never going to happen!
 
tlcagford said:
PS. When did this site go from reporting the truth to being another propaganda website for the west! Who mislead post false and misleading information from bogus posters on the web. But yes lets fight to the last Ukrainian and watch the the west collapse into a never ending depression along with irrevalenacy in the world. Best thing that we could do now is revove all sanctions and try and get Russia back on our side but that is never going to happen!
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Sorry people don't take your word on things. But what do you expect? You wright up a emotional opinion piece and expect people to take it as facts? No. That's why your post was moved to discussions. Your content isn't being modded or deleted just was moved here.

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Keep your opinion posts here and out of report thread please. That goes for everyone too!
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rudemarine said:
If Belarus attacks Ukraine then NATO needs to bomb the hell out of any troops that cross into Ukraine and bomb the Russian forces in Ukraine to bits at the same time. It should only take 24 hours to leave Russia in such a pickle that they have no choice but to pull out and then NATO can sit back and see what happens being ready to defend NATO as a whole. IF Russia flies anything near a NATO state it should be shot down. Its insane how mush money and problems Putin has cost the western world so he needs to be dealt with once and for all. Screw this high priced gas and the raping of Ukraine while Turkey buys all their grain on the cheap. Turkey needs to be given the boot.
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GO fight for Ukraine you might live a few months like many other idiots that went and found out they dont know what war is when you don't control the air.
 
Blinken discussing the New international World Order forming against the west and Russia in Ukraine. What he says is hysterical when considering how the US and EU has treated smaller countries, but international laws only apply when attacking white populated countries not African, Indian, Asian or Hispanic populations. US and EUpeople can coduct real genocide on the global south countries populations because their not white.





https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-with-kiratikorn-naksompop-blauw-of-thai-pbs/
 
tlcagford said:
PS. When did this site go from reporting the truth to being another propaganda website for the west! Who mislead post false and misleading information from bogus posters on the web. But yes lets fight to the last Ukrainian and watch the the west collapse into a never ending depression along with irrevalenacy in the world. Best thing that we could do now is revove all sanctions and try and get Russia back on our side but that is never going to happen!
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Soooo again what do you propose are the negotiating and settlement terms that will bring this to a conclusion?

Regarding change in this sites “reporting news”
It changed when they allowed the topical discussion of events not just news.

But I digress what do you propose Russia can offer to Ukraine and Ukraine can offer Russia to initiate peace talks.

Yes there are some here who pound Russia pretty hard. And others thst defend Russia.

As far as getting Russia back on our side unfortunately that shipped sailed along time ago with the aspirations of Putin.
Yes the west made some mistakes but the new Russia and dreams of regaining lost Warsaw pac nations totally distracted Russia’s economic potential.
If Russia did not possess nuclear weapons we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
There ranked 11th in gdp after South Korea who has a fraction of Russia’s landmass and resources.
Yet we’re dealing with kit gloves a nation that just decided they didn’t like how history played out and have invaded various neighbors over the last 15 years to rebuild their past glory.

I was always one for building an alliance with Russia. But you know what the problem always was?
Russia still viewed the world as some kind of bilateral competition to rule their half. They rejected their own entrance into nato because they were too big and important to wait and line and have an equal voice with a nation like Estonia.

So back to the original question of the day. How and where do talks proceed that bring this war to an end.
NATO can obviously stop all aid to Ukraine. That will have such marvelous humanitarian a d geo-political results won’t it.
Russia can withdraw
Ukraine can’t very well withdraw I suppose submit would be the correct term for Ukraine.

We’re here now how to end it
How to end it with minimal loss of life and destruction
How to end it with a lasting solution, not some evolving recollection of history.
 
Does Ukraine have the capability to build a nuclear weapon? According to this article they have the knowledge but not the infrastructure or finances to do it. Still when your country is being attacked every day they might consider it. But then again I'm sure that if they did russia would retaliate overwhelmingly. https://www.defenceview.in/will-ukraine-become-a-nuclear-power-again-within-a-year/

"Despite the complete destruction of Ukraine’s nuclear weapons, the manufacturing documents and human resources on nuclear science are still there, so when necessary, Ukraine can quickly build nuclear weapons in just a short time.
Colonel Oleg Zhdanov of the Ukrainian armed forces said that the country can re-equip nuclear weapons in just one year, this comment was made in a conversation on Ukrainian TV Channel 24. Nuclear missile SS-18 Satan was fully designed and manufactured in Ukraine during the Soviet era."
 
william said:
Does Ukraine have the capability to build a nuclear weapon? According to this article they have the knowledge but not the infrastructure or finances to do it. Still when your country is being attacked every day they might consider it. But then again I'm sure that if they did russia would retaliate overwhelmingly. https://www.defenceview.in/will-ukraine-become-a-nuclear-power-again-within-a-year/

"Despite the complete destruction of Ukraine’s nuclear weapons, the manufacturing documents and human resources on nuclear science are still there, so when necessary, Ukraine can quickly build nuclear weapons in just a short time.
Colonel Oleg Zhdanov of the Ukrainian armed forces said that the country can re-equip nuclear weapons in just one year, this comment was made in a conversation on Ukrainian TV Channel 24. Nuclear missile SS-18 Satan was fully designed and manufactured in Ukraine during the Soviet era."
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Remember most of those Soviet era scientist that built nukes in Ukraine are likely dead or retired now.
The labs and industry are repurposed or decayed.
 
Obreid said:
Soooo again what do you propose are the negotiating and settlement terms that will bring this to a conclusion?

Regarding change in this sites “reporting news”
It changed when they allowed the topical discussion of events not just news.

But I digress what do you propose Russia can offer to Ukraine and Ukraine can offer Russia to initiate peace talks.

Yes there are some here who pound Russia pretty hard. And others thst defend Russia.

As far as getting Russia back on our side unfortunately that shipped sailed along time ago with the aspirations of Putin.
Yes the west made some mistakes but the new Russia and dreams of regaining lost Warsaw pac nations totally distracted Russia’s economic potential.
If Russia did not possess nuclear weapons we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
There ranked 11th in gdp after South Korea who has a fraction of Russia’s landmass and resources.
Yet we’re dealing with kit gloves a nation that just decided they didn’t like how history played out and have invaded various neighbors over the last 15 years to rebuild their past glory.

I was always one for building an alliance with Russia. But you know what the problem always was?
Russia still viewed the world as some kind of bilateral competition to rule their half. They rejected their own entrance into nato because they were too big and important to wait and line and have an equal voice with a nation like Estonia.

So back to the original question of the day. How and where do talks proceed that bring this war to an end.
NATO can obviously stop all aid to Ukraine. That will have such marvelous humanitarian a d geo-political results won’t it.
Russia can withdraw
Ukraine can’t very well withdraw I suppose submit would be the correct term for Ukraine.

We’re here now how to end it
How to end it with minimal loss of life and destruction
How to end it with a lasting solution, not some evolving recollection of history.
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Z should agree to Russia's terms.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
You don't agree to a villain's terms. That just encourages the villain to do more villainy.
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Are you sure we are the good guys here? We have killed over 20 million people mostly civilians. Have you forgot what we have done the last 50 years how many war-crimes we have committed. We committed genocide on every continent . Go back 150 Years colonialism, manifest destiny, slavery, rape, etc. etc.We desrve to lose our hegomnic power and let someone else have it, but the west is afraid of the globalsouth taking over as they will seek reperations that will be in 100's of trillions and not fiat but real assets.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
In Ukraine. Yes. We're the good guys. We didn't invade another country.
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LOL, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen and Iraq. Just a couple of our invasions of sovereign countries in the last 20 years. I can go on several African countries and Latin America. Millions of dead. The west has called for Russians to be killed. Divide their county into multiple countries and reduce Slavic population to 50 Million. We canceled everything Russian we are no better than Hitler's Germany. Justify the outrage that the west has done and called for against the people of Russia. Sounds like we are the new NAZI's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People wonder why the Russian people support Putin. Because they don't want want to end up in Ovens.

If you wonder why I am so jaded about our country. I witnessed war-crimes killing surrendered troops, looting, rape and several other crimes and I reported it and watched as the command buried it and threatened me. I stil have physicle evidence and pictures and one day the men should pay, I would testify against them at a war-crimes trial. I will insure before I die they stand trial, be it here or in Russia or China if we collapse!
 
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DEFCON Warning System said:
I am talking specifically about Ukraine. The U.S. did not invade Ukraine. Russia did. They are the bad guys here.
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Did we not invade Ukraine? We have been there trianing and supling weapons even when we knew that they were killing and torching people. Makes us a party to the crimes committed. Remember when Russia said the US had Bio Labs in Ukraine we came out and denide it and called it Russian disinformation. After they were caputured we said Ok there are biolabs but it was inocent and no the US wont allow independent investigators inspect our 100's of Bio Labs.
 
tlcagford said:
Did we not invade Ukraine?
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No, we didn't.

tlcagford said:
We have been there trianing and supling weapons even when we knew that they were killing and torching people.
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That is not an invasion.

tlcagford said:
Remember when Russia said the US had Bio Labs in Ukraine we came out and denide it and called it Russian disinformation. After they were caputured we said Ok there are biolabs but it was inocent and no the US wont allow independent investigators inspect our 100's of Bio Labs.
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Still not an invasion.
 
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