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UA-RU | Feburary 21st-22nd | REPORTS

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Obreid said:
No sources, yes something of this urgency sources are requested.
No one here takes US media at face value and it’s no different for Russia or the breakaway republics of Ukraine.
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I am specifically trying to get any video materials first or another confirmation. There are many things I do not post that later prove to be fake, for instance this one proved to be fake. It was posted earlier today claiming a villager was hit with an artillery shell. Initially when I saw a video I had some doubts because: a. the weather was dark already meaning it was at least filmed much earlier (and no reports were made up until the end of the day) and b. his head was already bandaged while the foot looked unattended and with no blood. So I filtered it until further confirmation.

The 3 posts above I do not claim as true, but report them because thats what was reported by DPR/Russian media and went initially through my filter.

1st one about hospital being hit is a pretty huge and was reported by several media, so I expect at least some video to come up soon because of the scale. Still I made a reference that I am awaiting confirmation.
2nd one had no means of confirmation as it is a battle report. I was more interested in the fact that it was extremely close to the border and that this report itself is focused on this, perhaps unintentionally creating a tension for Russia itself due to close proximity to the borderline. I also checked initially the overall possibility of a diversion this deep into DPR, but several other sources explained that the borderline down south it thin and can be penetrated much easier, so this makes it theoretically possible.
3d one is a video report with multiple evidence, making it possible to track the building analyze the debris and further investigate if this is fake or not, but for the time being it wasn't proved to be fake.

P.S. in case you have missed, I am using URLs embed in a text. If you see a white text, this is an URL to the source.
 
FSB reports, that Two Ukrainian BMP's has crossed Russian border to retrieve their sabotage group, and has been destroyed by border forces of the Russian Federation. 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed.
 
Private Hope said:
- DPR claims City hospital and electro station were hit by shelling. Needs to be confirmed with a video or another source.

- Another DPR report about a clash with a Ukrainian military group deep inside DPR territory near Kuznecy, a village on the border with Russia.

- A video report of Russian state media about a school hit in Donetsk earlier.
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I can agree that hospitals was hit but for 99,999999999999999999999999999999% Russian special forces or Wagner group is behinhd these attack.
 
happyduck123 said:
So this is basically how the hostilities start?
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They've started a decade ago. Now we are entering the next stage.
10 minutes until Putin's translation.

Russia has called for an unplanned Federation Council meeting tomorrow - their senators are the ones who must give the President a clearance for the use of armed forces on foreign land.
 
krzepice1976 said:
I can agree that hospitals was hit but for 99,999999999999999999999999999999% Russian special forces or Wagner group is behinhd these attack.
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I will ask you the same question I asked in a previous thread. Do you believe that all 1400 explosions reported by a European monitoring mission just for 1 day were made by shelling from DPR/LPR/Wagner/Russia, or just those that hit schools and hospitals?
 
Private Hope said:
I will ask you the same question I asked in a previous thread. Do you believe that all 1400 explosions reported by a European monitoring mission just for 1 day were made by shelling from DPR/LPR/Wagner/Russia, or just those that hit schools and hospitals?
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For myself I suspect all boarder violations from both sides. And I believe there are happy trigger pullers from both sides.
Sadly in truth at this stage it really doesn’t matter does it.
 
Private Hope said:
I will ask you the same question I asked in a previous thread. Do you believe that all 1400 explosions reported by a European monitoring mission just for 1 day were made by shelling from DPR/LPR/Wagner/Russia, or just those that hit schools and hospitals?
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All where Russian. Ukraine showing extreme discipline and restraint. They will not give Russia a REAL excuse to move in. Give Ukraine leadership much gratitude for exercising extreme restraint against unprovoked Russian actions.
 
DarkNoon said:
All where Russian. Ukraine showing extreme discipline and restraint. They will not give Russia a REAL excuse to move in. Give Ukraine leadership much gratitude for exercising extreme restraint against unprovoked Russian actions.
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These blatant lies sounds to me extremely amusing, since 6 minutes ago, as right now Republic's sources finally published proofs of Ukrainian attacks looted from helmet cams of their deceased. Shall i publish them here?
 
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DarkNoon said:
All where Russian. Ukraine showing extreme discipline and restraint. They will not give Russia a REAL excuse to move in. Give Ukraine leadership much gratitude for exercising extreme restraint against unprovoked Russian actions.
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I am a bit confused. You are saying that all 1400+ explosions were made by Russians? If so, can you explain what goals do DPR/LPR artillery pursue shelling its own positions (as the report show on the map, 95% shelling occurs on frontline positions)?
 
DarkNoon said:
Sorry no logical reason Ukraine would open fire let alone first with a massive army just waiting for a excuse to flatten them like a bully in the school yard trying to steal your lunch money.

Edit: If there is any real Ukraine response it would be retaliatory to any Russian/Rebels first strikes.
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I gave a reasonable explanation here. Now please give me a reasonable explanation for DPR/LPR artillery to shell its own position 1400 times.
 
Private Hope said:
I gave a reasonable explanation here. Now please give me a reasonable explanation for DPR/LPR artillery to shell its own position 1400 times.
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Gives them a reason to cry to Russia to give Russian military perfect excuse to move in. Hello am I talking to someone from earth?

Convenient only Ukrainian citizens are dying huh...
 
DarkNoon said:
Sorry no logical reason Ukraine would open fire let alone first with a massive army just waiting for a excuse to flatten them like a bully in the school yard trying to steal your lunch money.

Edit: If there is any real Ukraine response it would be retaliatory to any Russian/Rebels first attacked.
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Ukrainians had 8 years to comply with Minsk that would put Russia into an embarassing and inferior position - yet they only stockpiled arms and pushed for aggressive narrative through a decade. That's what i call no logical reason.
 
Citizen-21 said:
These blatant lies sounds to me extremely amusing, since 6 minutes ago, as right now Republic's sources finally published proofs of Ukrainian attacks looted from helmet cams of their deceased. Shall i publish them here?
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If there relevant to the issue and you can then please. But it won’t alter the reality that it probably happens on both side.
It’s all just a PR campaign now to justify actions
 
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