UA-RU-NATO | DISCUSSIONS 14th July - 1st October 2023

[Torch]

For the home audience. The Russian Black Fleet has been properly decimated by either metric: numbers and/or type.

The Russian Navy, which is apparently well armed and certainly bravely crewed, is having it ass handed to it by a country with no navy and no offensive air power.

I wonder how that realtime conflict avoidance data fell into the UK’s Sea Shadow missiles just as they were released to the UA.

Opinion
Oh well the Russians could always go home, and eventually, they will, bagged and tagged or in an hysterical frenzy once the Horde turns north on them.

China has 1.6 billion slaves in a 200 million peasant sized wet market.

Russia has 200 million alcoholics in a 1.6 billion sized Hofbrau tent.

Pretty easy to see were that is headed once ChiComs have Nuclear parity with Russia.

Boy will that be a tough one to sit out. On the one hand, you have paranoid totalitarian excommunists who are happily killing their neighbors and stealing their children and on the other, you have despicable totalitarian excommunists who are attempting “to turn their atmosphere into a solid” whilst perfecting the next Covid strain.

Tough call.

 

[william]

To win a war you have to destroy the enemy's ability to wage war and take and hold ground. Until this happens for either side, it will go on.

 

[alphaecho]

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702755014081495260?s=20

 

[Yingyang]

Any reports on Ukraine requests to eu on refugees being returned to fight?

 

[Bravo]

Not directly linked with the Ukraine, but yesterday German Newspaper Focus reported that Kadyrow is in a critical state. Other Newspapers report that now too.
Rumors say, that he has buried his former Doc alive and that Kadyrow was poisoned. Don't know if true, or how valuable the sources are, but perhaps worth watching?

Chechen leader and staunch Putin ally Ramzan Kadyrov reportedly in critical condition

Ruthless Chechnya warlord — and staunch ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — Ramzan Kadyrov is reportedly hospitalized in critical condition, according to Ukrainian intelligence. “There is in…

nypost.com

 

[Publius]

I support the right Side and Peace negotiations. And the end of the killing. P.S. USA are not the right Side. Understood everything? If not, no matter.

So for you the “right side” is invading a neighboring nation just because they refuse to submit
Their military invasion has done nothing to bring or encourage peace or an end to the suffering.

Pretty hollow argument.
Kind of like trying to argue that that the cow is pink, just because you say it is.

Understood everything? If not, no matter.

Well then your concept what is right is diametrically apposed to what much of the world sees it as.
So the war and killing will continue.

 

[Yingyang]

So for you the “right side” is invading a neighboring nation just because they refuse to submit
Their military invasion has done nothing to bring or encourage peace or an end to the suffering.

Pretty hollow argument.
Kind of like trying to argue that that the cow is pink, just because you say it is.


Well then your concept what is right is diametrically apposed to what much of the world sees it as.
So the war and killing will continue.

Majority can still be wrong. Just saying

 

[ZedBoy]

Majority can still be wrong. Just saying

^^^^^

Remember lobotomies when they were accepted? Remember when testing nuclear weapons on your own people was accepted, remember when feeding plutonium to pregnant women was good?

 

[Torch]

I support the right Side and Peace negotiations. And the end of the killing. P.S. USA are not the right Side. Understood everything? If not, no matter.

The Russians are big on negotiations now that their 3day special operation is well into its second year and about 250,000 Russian Casualties. Best estimates ~55,000 KIA

Where the frak were Russian Negotiators BEFORE they attacked, yet another much smaller nonthreating neighbor and started kidnapping children to make good their loses?
(If your are. going to debate this just ask the International Criminal Court, why they’ve indicted half of Russia for kidnapping and have ACTIVE arrest warrants for her leaders, especially Putin)

Fuck Russia. The US, UK and France need to DROP the Geo-Fence on the lend-lease*
Rockets and cruise missiles. If all of the UA is getting bombed by Russian, the UA needs to return the favor. Say Anything war related within a 100km or ANY base, harbor or airfield ANYWHERE that launches bomber, tankers, missiles, drones, artillery and and ships or boats (submarines are boats)

Anywhere.

*


*re: Lend/Lease I don’t have a better name…
Gifts to slay orc invaders, war Criminals and Child Kidnapping Human Debris
Seems a bit wordy, so Lend/Lease

 

[Yingyang]

^^^^^

Remember lobotomies when they were accepted? Remember when testing nuclear weapons on your own people was accepted, remember when feeding plutonium to pregnant women was good?

Many examples even recently where majorities get it wrong. Still happens here aswell. No shortage of brick walls .

 

[ZedBoy]

Many examples even recently where majorities get it wrong. Still happens here aswell. No shortage of brick walls .

Remember when people said benzos are good, yet to get off them you have to go through a lot of therop and you still get seizures and other issues?

 

[ZedBoy]

The Russians are big on negotiations now that their 3day special operation is well into its second year and about 250,000 Russian Casualties. Best estimates ~55,000 KIA

Where the frak were Russian Negotiators BEFORE they attacked, yet another much smaller nonthreating neighbor and started kidnapping children to make good their loses?
(If your are. going to debate this just ask the International Criminal Court, why they’ve indicted half of Russia for kidnapping and have ACTIVE arrest warrants for her leaders, especially Putin)

Fuck Russia. The US, UK and France need to DROP the Geo-Fence on the lend-lease*
Rockets and cruise missiles. If all of the UA is getting bombed by Russian, the UA needs to return the favor. Say Anything war related within a 100km or ANY base, harbor or airfield ANYWHERE that launches bomber, tankers, missiles, drones, artillery and and ships or boats (submarines are boats)

Anywhere.

*


*re: Lend/Lease I don’t have a better name…
Gifts to slay orc invaders, war Criminals and Child Kidnapping Human Debris
Seems a bit wordy, so Lend/Lease

Fuck Ukraine's leadership and not the people within the country. Comedian president, forcefully conscripting his people and brainwashing/propagandnazing his people to fight his war because he refused to simply be a border state. He let one nation who puts money in his pocket cause his people to die because a stronger nation than his made requests for them to disarm.

When you refuse to negotiate with powers you get war or you get economic bombardment, we see which one Zelenski chose over the lives of his people.

The numbers on Russian casualties are nothing but a hoax just like "kyiv ghost"..yeah... I thought everyone forgot about that too, dcs world pilot...hahahahahaha..

Anyway fuck the Ukrainian government and my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people who are forcefully conscripted and psyopped into fighting a losing war because their president wanted to choose money over his people.

When you have no power in a system and nobody to aid you realistically are you going to resist? If a cop is abusing their power are you going to resist them and get more charges or take it and just wait till later to get a lawyer? If a person who has financial, physical power over you is standing right there Infront of you and you have no power...are you going to fight them? Fuck no you aren't logically (if you use your brsinhole). You're going to wait and escape when you get the opportunity...not enlist the help of your negibors (your people) and send them to the man who has an mg pointed down the street ready to chop them up because they preplanned for the moment you rebel.


Ukraine (leadership) did this to themselves and my heart goes to the people caught in the middle of their own suicidal government and a government that fears for the safety of their country (Russia) due to encroachment of NATO.


If a cop has a loaded gun telling you to drop a weapon as you have the weapon in both of your hands pointed down...you're not going to lift the weapon since the cop just has to shoot, and you have to lift and shoot. You just comply unless you want to be statistically on the fucked side.


Let's all continue to blame Russia instead of blame Ukraine for being unwilling to negotiate.


Meanwhile let's not look at the countries that didn't negotiate with America and what we did to them militarily and with the CIA.

Moderator edit: There is a good body of evidence suggesting Russia has sustained significant numbers of casualties, definitely more than Ukraine.

 

[Torch]

Fuck Ukraine's leadership and not the people within the country. Comedian president, forcefully conscripting his people and brainwashing/propagandnazing his people to fight his war because he refused to simply be a border state. He let one nation who puts money in his pocket cause his people to die because a stronger nation than his made requests for them to disarm.

When you refuse to negotiate with powers you get war or you get economic bombardment, we see which one Zelenski chose over the lives of his people.

The numbers on Russian casualties are nothing but a hoax just like "kyiv ghost"..yeah... I thought everyone forgot about that too, dcs world pilot...hahahahahaha..

Anyway fuck the Ukrainian government and my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people who are forcefully conscripted and psyopped into fighting a losing war because their president wanted to choose money over his people.

When you have no power in a system and nobody to aid you realistically are you going to resist? If a cop is abusing their power are you going to resist them and get more charges or take it and just wait till later to get a lawyer? If a person who has financial, physical power over you is standing right there Infront of you and you have no power...are you going to fight them? Fuck no you aren't logically (if you use your brsinhole). You're going to wait and escape when you get the opportunity...not enlist the help of your negibors (your people) and send them to the man who has an mg pointed down the street ready to chop them up because they preplanned for the moment you rebel.


Ukraine (leadership) did this to themselves and my heart goes to the people caught in the middle of their own suicidal government and a government that fears for the safety of their country (Russia) due to encroachment of NATO.


If a cop has a loaded gun telling you to drop a weapon as you have the weapon in both of your hands pointed down...you're not going to lift the weapon since the cop just has to shoot, and you have to lift and shoot. You just comply unless you want to be statistically on the fucked side.


Let's all continue to blame Russia instead of blame Ukraine for being unwilling to negotiate.


Meanwhile let's not look at the countries that didn't negotiate with America and what we did to them militarily and with the CIA.

That made almost no sense. I’m worse off for trying to understand it.
Well that is the last time I reading that kinda of nonsense.
Anyone know were to enable the insane filter in settings?

 

[Friendly Engineer]

Russian forces near Norway at '20% or less' than before Ukraine war, Norway's armed-forces chief says:

Russian forces near Norway at '20% or less' than before Ukraine war, Norway's armed-forces chief says

Russian forces stationed in the Arctic near Norway are "20% or less" of the number they were before the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, Norway's chief of defence said on Saturday.

www.reuters.com

@DEFCON Warning System @RiffRaff @Friendly Engineer @Irag8er

Goes to show that Putin doesn't want a world war anymore than NATO does. A good sign.

 

[Friendly Engineer]

Goes to show that Putin doesn't want a world war anymore than NATO does. A good sign.

Also validates the methodology of judging Russia by their actions instead of their words. Sure, listen to what they say but don't give anywhere near as much credence to it as you would their actions. It's a good way of cutting through the bullshit.

 

[william]

Republican senators demand that Biden immediately hand over ATACMS missiles to Ukraine​

But I thought the Republicans wanted to stop the aid!

MSN

 

[Spadders]

Fuck Ukraine's leadership and not the people within the country. Comedian president, forcefully conscripting his people and brainwashing/propagandnazing his people to fight his war because he refused to simply be a border state. He let one nation who puts money in his pocket cause his people to die because a stronger nation than his made requests for them to disarm.

When you refuse to negotiate with powers you get war or you get economic bombardment, we see which one Zelenski chose over the lives of his people.

The numbers on Russian casualties are nothing but a hoax just like "kyiv ghost"..yeah... I thought everyone forgot about that too, dcs world pilot...hahahahahaha..

Anyway fuck the Ukrainian government and my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people who are forcefully conscripted and psyopped into fighting a losing war because their president wanted to choose money over his people.

When you have no power in a system and nobody to aid you realistically are you going to resist? If a cop is abusing their power are you going to resist them and get more charges or take it and just wait till later to get a lawyer? If a person who has financial, physical power over you is standing right there Infront of you and you have no power...are you going to fight them? Fuck no you aren't logically (if you use your brsinhole). You're going to wait and escape when you get the opportunity...not enlist the help of your negibors (your people) and send them to the man who has an mg pointed down the street ready to chop them up because they preplanned for the moment you rebel.


Ukraine (leadership) did this to themselves and my heart goes to the people caught in the middle of their own suicidal government and a government that fears for the safety of their country (Russia) due to encroachment of NATO.


If a cop has a loaded gun telling you to drop a weapon as you have the weapon in both of your hands pointed down...you're not going to lift the weapon since the cop just has to shoot, and you have to lift and shoot. You just comply unless you want to be statistically on the fucked side.


Let's all continue to blame Russia instead of blame Ukraine for being unwilling to negotiate.


Meanwhile let's not look at the countries that didn't negotiate with America and what we did to them militarily and with the CIA.

Moderator edit: There is a good body of evidence suggesting Russia has sustained significant numbers of casualties, definitely more than Ukraine.

Because everyone including youself is blaming Russia? And because no one including yourself looks at American geopolitical strategy? That's weird, its like your suggesting there's just only one side.

Its just hyperbole and bullshit aint it? You completely undermine yourself by being the very thing youre actually suggesting doesn't exist. Of which youre certainly not the only one. So tell me more about how you want yourself and everyone else to continue to blame Russia because im fairly sure ive never seen you blame them once?

 

[Irag8er]

Not directly linked with the Ukraine, but yesterday German Newspaper Focus reported that Kadyrow is in a critical state. Other Newspapers report that now too.
Rumors say, that he has buried his former Doc alive and that Kadyrow was poisoned. Don't know if true, or how valuable the sources are, but perhaps worth watching?

Chechen leader and staunch Putin ally Ramzan Kadyrov reportedly in critical condition

Ruthless Chechnya warlord — and staunch ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — Ramzan Kadyrov is reportedly hospitalized in critical condition, according to Ukrainian intelligence. “There is in…

nypost.com

Kadyrov posted a video of himself after rumors stated that he was in a bad condition.

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1703353971530731842?s=20

The saga continues.

 

[teekay99]

Comedian president, forcefully conscripting his people and brainwashing/propagandnazing his people to fight his war because he refused to simply be a border state. He let one nation who puts money in his pocket cause his people to die because a stronger nation than his made requests for them to disarm.

It was more than Zelinskyy "[refusing] to simply be a border state." Russia never believed the Orange revolution was legitimate, and never believed subsequent elections to be valid. This leads me to the following interesting question:

• If Russia never believed Zelinskyy to be legitimate, are any Russian offers of negotiation with Ukraine, either before the conflict or during the conflict, genuine offers of negotiation? After all, if you do not believe in an adversary's legitimacy to act on behalf of his or her state, do you really consider any agreement signed with the adversary to truly be binding?

Zelinskyy bending to the whim of his larger Russian neighbor would have been outright capitulation, and as I have explained before, would have been a violation of the Ukrainian presidential oath of office had Zelinskyy capitulated. And don't forget when Zelinskyy was offered evacuation by the west, he declined it by saying he did not need a ride, he needed arms. That suggests he has the courage of his convictions, a genuine desire to protect his country, and is not in it to merely put money in his pockets.

And lastly, we cannot ignore the fact that it is Russia invading Ukraine. Not the other way around. It is Russia that is killing Ukrainians. Not Zelinskyy. And if the Ukrainian people and military did not support their leader, I would think they be laying down arms and welcoming Russia in. But that is not what we are witnessing on the battlefield....

Russia can stop the fight at any time to save lives. If Russia is the nobler side in this conflict, why haven't they stopped fighting?

 

[Torch]

After all, if you do not believe in an adversary's legitimacy to act on behalf of his or her state, do you really consider any agreement signed with the adversary to truly be binding?

Hot damn! That is some first class critical thinking and analysis. Well said!

Not just the quote. The whole damn post is gold. I’m gonna take a picture and frame it!