It is sad.
-
Guests may view all public nodes. However, you must be registered to post.
UA-RU-NATO War & Ukraine Peace Talks | Discussions
- Thread starter Irag8er
- Start date
- Status
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2024
Sorry but I’m so tired of this hyperbole. The world isn’t the same as the 30s nuclear weapons have completely changed the game. Russia is not going to invade a NATO country because they managed to capture a small area of a non NATO country. Nor will its military be able to rebuild the massive stock pile of tanks it had prior to this invasion within a decade let alone 5 years. Will they make a move on Moldova or Ukraine again? Possibly but it’s foolish to suggest that Russia, who’s went out of its way to avoid dragging NATO into the war in Ukraine, is going to start a war with them.
- Joined
- Feb 28, 2017
- Location
- Perth Western Australia
Lots of
propaganda fools out there unfortunately. Now they can blame Trump as an easy out for the original obvious conclusion regardless of who was potus.
Lots of
- Joined
- Feb 28, 2017
- Location
- Perth Western Australia
If you are Ukraine, you withdrawal from most major treaties and build nuclear weapons as fast as you use to. I believe there is great value in having them as a “Threat in Being”
There are still plenty of weapons guys and gals hanging around that use to do just that.
As far as the “outrage”, just stop sending them anything until they pay for it in dollars. Oh wait they can’t. Ok what do they have to trade?
PS Fuck German and their “outrage” that the USA wants paid from here on out. They haven’t cough up enough to be an interest payment on what the United States have sent.
Hell in Ww2 we charged Britain (and they paid) until there was no gold left in their accounts. Then we took land and forever leases on military bases. And Britain is our best friend. Ukraine? Ehhh.
I wanted to kill Russian Soldiers, Destroy their equipment, cripple their economy and tether Europe to us for energy so we have leverage against those that balk at helping when we fight China.
So now Russia will not be a major factor for a couple of generations, EU has cut the cord with Russia, the Nordic countries have now all joined NATO and we have learnt a shipload about post human warfare. Drones and AI abound and we can now accurately gauge their performance.
The ground war has mostly fixed now and trench warfare has begun. There is little to be gained by further fighting. There was a chance last spring for the UA to cut the land bridge to the Crimean but we failed/refused to support the UA fully. Time to end it.
Would you want your kid to be the last one killed in a trench in the middle of nowhere? If we support them now it will probably escalate to NATO vrs Russia. Lots of dying maybe WW3.
Close up shop, come home.
Live.
My 2¢ YMMV
War and Peace ends here.
Sorry.
Last edited:
Agree. Trump Surrenders to Putin as Everyone Expects, At Least Those Not Falling For Russian Propoganda & Empty Threats, or Blind Cult Following to Trump:
Reality:
Reality:
- Joined
- Sep 6, 2022
- LOCATION
- Fly over country
it will be interesting to see what comes of it. If they receive no real security guarantees they could build nukes.
I’m sick of the moral outrage regarding nations building nukes. I don’t want to be but I don’t want to be the nuclear guard dog alone to fight it.
I’m sick of the moral outrage regarding nations building nukes. I don’t want to be but I don’t want to be the nuclear guard dog alone to fight it.
- Joined
- Sep 6, 2022
- LOCATION
- Fly over country
This is all well and good except there has never been a coordinated plan to win. The only measurement has been how many Russians die. Like Torch pointed out it’s trench warfare now. Biden and Europe had three years to implement a war plan to win, they failed.
What? We continue on the same path so the failures can be laid at Trumps feet.
The supporters of Trump’s policy’s here are not cult members so try to afford us that respect.
If you have a legitimate plan to defeat Russia in Ukraine, besides just sending more bombs, would love to hear it. And it can’t be send troops because that was rejected by all the govts involved already.
IMO, the only way the UA could “win” against Russia is with a US or NATO enforced no fly zone and not just the western half but the whole thing viciously executed fully which is almost certain to lead to all out war.
We are at a fork in the road. We should take neither and just turn around and go back home, where are grandkids are still alive and playing outside.
We are at a fork in the road. We should take neither and just turn around and go back home, where are grandkids are still alive and playing outside.
Last edited:
Guess I don't have to eat my words.
- Joined
- May 22, 2023
Cult? i don't remember wearing a toga and chanting at marble throne. i guess you watched conan the barbarian too many times.
- Joined
- May 22, 2023
you, eating, key words. yes.
Reading tweets about Article 5 and I realize that MAGAs don't know that the first (and last) time it was invoked was by NATO after 9/11 coming to the aid of the United States. NATO is a good thing you nincompoops.
The U.S. was the only country to ever invoke Article 5 and receive NATO’s support. After today’s speech in Munich, it may also be the last.
Today, Trump killed the entire Western Alliance. Talk it however you want.
The U.S. was the only country to ever invoke Article 5 and receive NATO’s support. After today’s speech in Munich, it may also be the last.
Today, Trump killed the entire Western Alliance. Talk it however you want.
Last edited:
A reporter needs to ask next time Trump gets off the phone or after meeting Putin what kind of lube Trump prefers best when Putin bends him over a barrel.
Oh that's right, the press can't, he booted them, at least the ones that dare question the-would-be despot.
Oh that's right, the press can't, he booted them, at least the ones that dare question the-would-be despot.
Last edited:
- Joined
- May 22, 2023
thats your opinion and no one elses. ok lefty.Reading tweets about Article 5 and I realize that MAGAs don't know that the first (and last) time it was invoked was by NATO after 9/11 coming to the aid of the United States. NATO is a good thing you nincompoops.
The U.S. was the only country to ever invoke Article 5 and receive NATO’s support. After today’s speech in Munich, it may also be the last.
Today, Trump killed the entire Western Alliance. Talk it however you want.
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2024
Ukraine also isn’t a NATO member and never was going to be. People can be mad Trump said it but let’s not pretend he’s the sole reason.Reading tweets about Article 5 and I realize that MAGAs don't know that the first (and last) time it was invoked was by NATO after 9/11 coming to the aid of the United States. NATO is a good thing you nincompoops.
The U.S. was the only country to ever invoke Article 5 and receive NATO’s support. After today’s speech in Munich, it may also be the last.
Today, Trump killed the entire Western Alliance. Talk it however you want.
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2024
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I think a lot of people are ignoring the fact Ukraine doesn’t have to accept some hypothetical deal too. If they really want to keep fighting they have that option even if it’s without U.S. support. They’d still have a gorilla warfare force with a limited quantity of weapons on top of what Europe sends them and they could realistically hold on for another year or two if they think it’s better than negotiating. But when the secretary general of NATO and the majority of European leaders for the most part agree the time is right for peace talks that’s a pretty good sign that both sides have pretty much exhausted their capacity to fight for much longer.
- Status