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Monkeypox | 2022

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Regarding the 2003 USA monkeypox virus outbreak (47 confirmed/probable), this part of reference to that outbreak keeps being left out: "All of the people infected with monkeypox during that outbreak became ill after having contact with pet prairie dogs, the CDC found. Those pets were housed at an animal vendor's facilities in Illinois where they may have been infected with the virus. The facilities housed other small mammals imported from Ghana that tested positive for monkeypox virus: two African giant pouched rats, nine dormice and three rope squirrels. "The prairie dogs got monkeypox from the imported animals and then passed it on to the humans," Bausch said. "It's a bit of a misnomer calling it monkeypox. The reservoir for this virus, the natural reservoir in nature is probably certain types of rodents.""
 
TCharley300 - Very sorry to hear about the loss of your friends and acquaintances. It has been horrible. FYI - I have had the exact opposite experience. My cousin's son, 51, also a veteran did nothing and died from pneumonia. Everyone I know who died did not have a vaccine. But also everyone I know who died was over 50, so there may be health complications we did not know about. The body, like anything, wears down and is impacted by time and life.

That said, I also don't know the USA anymore. A few years ago, if someone were to tell me what I think would happen after over 1 million Americans were officially reported dead from a pandemic, I would expect there would be calls for changes, and at least some mourning (beyond a flag lowered). Now we have 1 million dead Americans, and it is shrug, who cares, change the TV channel, and pass the popcorn. I honestly don't want to live in a country like that. I honestly don't want to have and cannot trust government representatives, national security, or intelligence agencies more vested in debating over "smelly Walmart people," than working to protect and find answers to 1 million dead Americans. I am clearly from the wrong country and the wrong century. But this is not the United States of America that so many of us, our families, our loved ones gave their lives to protect and defend. I don't what this version of USA is today, but whatever it is, it is certainly not "America." Sorry for the soapbox. Back to the regular NatSec acceptable losses channel.
I'm also sorry to hear about your cousin. But, let's look at numbers for a moment. And, this is not being harsh, etc. OK, you have "supposed" one million people die of covid. Well, with a population of around 333 million in the US that's a mortality rate of oo.3% (that's 3tenths of 1%) mortality rate. which is a very low number. A regular old fashioned flu kills more than that. OH, and last year or two, did you hear many cases of the old fashioned flu??? I sure didn't. And, when one of the guys that I used to work with in the FD (he was a rookie back then) told me of a car wreck where there was a decapitation and the cause of death was Covid??? Yea right. From that point onward, I lost all complete faith in how things were being reported.

It will be the same thing with monkey pox. Just wait and see. You have one confirmed case in the US currently. He did not travel to Africa, but he had been in Canada, so finding patient zero should be real easy to find. What do you want to bet that finding patient zero happens? It won't happen. In the past, when a bad seasonal flu would come forward, you'd have as much as a 1 sometimes 1.5% mortality rate. But did we ever hear about it?? not really.

Just sit back and follow the patterns. You'll see that this monkey pox will turn out just like the covid crap did---a case or two here and there, and then in a few weeks, that creepy fauci fellow will re-appear with his new set of instructions, and the sheep will be quietly led to slaughter. Not getting political, but I'll wager that the breakout will happen in a blue state. Go figure. I'm independent, so for me it's not a political thing and I really don't follow politics. That's what's got us in the mess we are in now. After all, with mid terms coming in a few months, and a huge change is predicted, oh you have to have something to prevent people from going to vote.

You were talking about natural immunity, I'm sorta wondering in the back of my mind if many years ago, I didn't by chance get it, or something very similar to it. The year was 1979. I developed a very high fever of 105 and had it for 5 days. Hospitalized, nothing broke the fever, but when it did break, boy howdy was that bed soaking wet. the only thing it did to me was make my red hair turn white, and I did lose most of my hair within a month afterwards. I was also very weak for about 6 months after that. But, from that day forward, I really haven't been terribly sick. I guess the body anti-bodies had gone into overdrive to combat whatever it was. Back then, the labs never figured out what I had, except it was an unusual infection. I didn't have clogged lungs or anything, just a super high fever.

My circle of folks is rather small, but the ones that I know that didn't get the jab, two did get sick, ran a fever for a day or two, but recovered--but like everyone else, afterwards, they were very weak for a good while. One was a husband and wife--neither had the jab, the husband got sick, did have bumps on his back, like a bed sore, but the wife never got sick, and although they didn't sleep together during that period, they were still in the same household, ect. Now, that wife's older sister (she's 60 now) got the covid, and then afterwards--took the jab, got real sick again and developed what the doctors are calling "Covid dementia" She's in real bad shape and will never recover from the dementia. That doctor of the older sister did say that the Covid dementia is somewhat common, especially if they took the jab. The second person I was originally talking about did develop a cough. He refused the jab. He was working for me, and I let him stay here for a couple of days in my extra room. He didn't have a family close by. And, I didn't go around wearing a stupid mask. The only thing I did differently was to wash my hands more frequently and also take some either bleach or Lysol and wipe down contact surfaces.
For now, I'm just going to watch and see.
 
I'm also sorry to hear about your cousin. But, let's look at numbers for a moment. And, this is not being harsh, etc. OK, you have "supposed" one million people die of covid. Well, with a population of around 333 million in the US that's a mortality rate of oo.3% (that's 3tenths of 1%) mortality rate. which is a very low number. A regular old fashioned flu kills more than that. OH, and last year or two, did you hear many cases of the old fashioned flu??? I sure didn't. And, when one of the guys that I used to work with in the FD (he was a rookie back then) told me of a car wreck where there was a decapitation and the cause of death was Covid??? Yea right. From that point onward, I lost all complete faith in how things were being reported.

It will be the same thing with monkey pox. Just wait and see. You have one confirmed case in the US currently. He did not travel to Africa, but he had been in Canada, so finding patient zero should be real easy to find. What do you want to bet that finding patient zero happens? It won't happen. In the past, when a bad seasonal flu would come forward, you'd have as much as a 1 sometimes 1.5% mortality rate. But did we ever hear about it?? not really.

Just sit back and follow the patterns. You'll see that this monkey pox will turn out just like the covid crap did---a case or two here and there, and then in a few weeks, that creepy fauci fellow will re-appear with his new set of instructions, and the sheep will be quietly led to slaughter. Not getting political, but I'll wager that the breakout will happen in a blue state. Go figure. I'm independent, so for me it's not a political thing and I really don't follow politics. That's what's got us in the mess we are in now. After all, with mid terms coming in a few months, and a huge change is predicted, oh you have to have something to prevent people from going to vote.

You were talking about natural immunity, I'm sorta wondering in the back of my mind if many years ago, I didn't by chance get it, or something very similar to it. The year was 1979. I developed a very high fever of 105 and had it for 5 days. Hospitalized, nothing broke the fever, but when it did break, boy howdy was that bed soaking wet. the only thing it did to me was make my red hair turn white, and I did lose most of my hair within a month afterwards. I was also very weak for about 6 months after that. But, from that day forward, I really haven't been terribly sick. I guess the body anti-bodies had gone into overdrive to combat whatever it was. Back then, the labs never figured out what I had, except it was an unusual infection. I didn't have clogged lungs or anything, just a super high fever.

My circle of folks is rather small, but the ones that I know that didn't get the jab, two did get sick, ran a fever for a day or two, but recovered--but like everyone else, afterwards, they were very weak for a good while. One was a husband and wife--neither had the jab, the husband got sick, did have bumps on his back, like a bed sore, but the wife never got sick, and although they didn't sleep together during that period, they were still in the same household, ect. Now, that wife's older sister (she's 60 now) got the covid, and then afterwards--took the jab, got real sick again and developed what the doctors are calling "Covid dementia" She's in real bad shape and will never recover from the dementia. That doctor of the older sister did say that the Covid dementia is somewhat common, especially if they took the jab. The second person I was originally talking about did develop a cough. He refused the jab. He was working for me, and I let him stay here for a couple of days in my extra room. He didn't have a family close by. And, I didn't go around wearing a stupid mask. The only thing I did differently was to wash my hands more frequently and also take some either bleach or Lysol and wipe down contact surfaces.
For now, I'm just going to watch and see.
I am really sorry to hear about the people you know that suffered from this.
Like you say, we will see what will happen.
But I think the dismissal of 1 million dead in USA is wrong. I believe it will create another deep fracture within USA for a long time. USA Government has had money to spend on every other part of the world and every other measure. I think it is important to regain the hearts of people to deal with whatever the next crisis, and God forbid another disease outbreak of any kind.

For the 1 million COVID-19 dead, USG could have worked to organize event(s) for a national mourning, prayer session, whatever, like we did with 9/11 and other catastrophes. Maybe it would be "unnecessary." But then again, so what. If we are going to judge the USG on all of the "unnecessary" things it has done, we would dissolve it in utter frustration. One more would not have killed them. And the same with organized religion. How many national prayer events in USA were held to remember 1 million dead this week? The National Cathedral rang some bells about 1 million dead. Big whoop. It was better than "nothing." But a lot of trust, respect in USG and organized religion has disappeared in this century. And is going to continue at an accelerated rate.

They think sharing a geographical area is enough. It is not. That is not a nation. No conscience, no compassion, no empathy, no spirit, with the wants of the individual as the only common cause. That is just a collection of people living in the same area, which is what we have today really with the USA. And our militarists and armorers think that can "defend freedom"? They are so focused on their arsenal, they have lost sight of who is going to be use it.
 
dismissal of 1 million dead in USA is wrong. I believe it will create another deep fracture within USA for a long time.
There is no dismissal of them, it is part of life, bad shit happens. With the mishmash advice and ineffective lockdowns we would have faired better if the cdc did nothing.
As far as the fatality numbers throwing out a million dead here falls on many deaf ears. The incidents of over reporting or ignoring pre existing health conditions as the actual cause of deaths. Makes top end fatality numbers from Covid meaningless.
 
I am really sorry to hear about the people you know that suffered from this.
Like you say, we will see what will happen.
But I think the dismissal of 1 million dead in USA is wrong. I believe it will create another deep fracture within USA for a long time. USA Government has had money to spend on every other part of the world and every other measure. I think it is important to regain the hearts of people to deal with whatever the next crisis, and God forbid another disease outbreak of any kind.

For the 1 million COVID-19 dead, USG could have worked to organize event(s) for a national mourning, prayer session, whatever, like we did with 9/11 and other catastrophes. Maybe it would be "unnecessary." But then again, so what. If we are going to judge the USG on all of the "unnecessary" things it has done, we would dissolve it in utter frustration. One more would not have killed them. And the same with organized religion. How many national prayer events in USA were held to remember 1 million dead this week? The National Cathedral rang some bells about 1 million dead. Big whoop. It was better than "nothing." But a lot of trust, respect in USG and organized religion has disappeared in this century. And is going to continue at an accelerated rate.

They think sharing a geographical area is enough. It is not. That is not a nation. No conscience, no compassion, no empathy, no spirit, with the wants of the individual as the only common cause. That is just a collection of people living in the same area, which is what we have today really with the USA. And our militarists and armorers think that can "defend freedom"? They are so focused on their arsenal, they have lost sight of who is going to be use it.
Now, I'm not trying to start an argument. But if you look at the records from say 2018 back (in other words before covid) you'll discover that the numbers that died from just regular flu either equaled or exceeded the million dead from covid. That's why I kept saying--it really wasn't anything to worry about.
 

Belgium becomes first country to introduce compulsory quarantine for Monkeypox infected & contacts​


The Municipal Health Service (GGD) is asking people who have had contact with someone who tested positive for the monkeypox virus to quarantine for up to three weeks. This is a precautionary measure, emphasizes a spokesperson for the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM), because much is still unclear about the virus.

The chance of infection if you have been close to someone before they developed symptoms, remains to be seen. "It is still too early to say that," said the RIVM spokesperson.


More details from the RIVM (scroll down to Isolation/Quarantine):

 
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With all this I cannot help but wonder if being a farmer and getting cow pox (goat also) from manual milking offers cross immunity just as Dr Jenner found out in relation to smallpox all those years ago. One thing to always consider is the use of a disease like this be an epidemiological test to assess distribution patterns. Can't help but have this nagging thought in the back of the mind. Maybe I should go out and start pulling some cow teats/udders to get a cow pox hand infection for immunity.
 
What also has to be said is that Monkeypox can spread through people without symptoms, means the real number of infections is somewhat higher and people can spread it without knowing.
This is a strategy that some deadly viruses use to survive, because otherwise they would have wiped themselves out.
Monkeypox can at least spread in the same way as HIV which has already killed 36 million people and it's in the same category as an autoimmune virus.
12 countries have cases now, 100 are confirmed.
The incubation time is 3 weeks and then we will probably see another pandemic.
 
From what I am hearing through my public health contacts, the vast majority of these cases of monkeypox are being found in men who have sex with men (MSM). The appearance of the lesions are usually concentrated in the gentials and anal area, suggesting that this is being spread sexually.

Most confirmed cases have reported high-risk unprotected sex with multiple partners. Unfortunately, this is giving me flashbacks to the early days of HIV/AIDS. As we all learned from then, if this is spreading sexually, it's only a matter of time before it spreads to high-risk heterosexuals, and then on to the general public.

The rate of spread outside of Africa is definitely concerning, as is the fact that this disease appears to be spreading in a new way. However, that does not necessarily mean that the virus has changed or mutated significantly. We have seen in the West African Ebola outbreaks that a virus can take advantage of new methods of transmission, such as through sex, when there is enough behavioral pressure to make it do so.
 
From what I am hearing through my public health contacts, the vast majority of these cases of monkeypox are being found in men who have sex with men (MSM). The appearance of the lesions are usually concentrated in the gentials and anal area, suggesting that this is being spread sexually.

Most confirmed cases have reported high-risk unprotected sex with multiple partners. Unfortunately, this is giving me flashbacks to the early days of HIV/AIDS. As we all learned from then, if this is spreading sexually, it's only a matter of time before it spreads to high-risk heterosexuals, and then on to the general public.

The rate of spread outside of Africa is definitely concerning, as is the fact that this disease appears to be spreading in a new way. However, that does not necessarily mean that the virus has changed or mutated significantly. We have seen in the West African Ebola outbreaks that a virus can take advantage of new methods of transmission, such as through sex, when there is enough behavioral pressure to make it do so.
I guess we’ll need to decide if we take our cues from chimpanzees or Bonobos
 
From what I am hearing through my public health contacts, the vast majority of these cases of monkeypox are being found in men who have sex with men (MSM). The appearance of the lesions are usually concentrated in the gentials and anal area, suggesting that this is being spread sexually.

Most confirmed cases have reported high-risk unprotected sex with multiple partners. Unfortunately, this is giving me flashbacks to the early days of HIV/AIDS. As we all learned from then, if this is spreading sexually, it's only a matter of time before it spreads to high-risk heterosexuals, and then on to the general public.

The rate of spread outside of Africa is definitely concerning, as is the fact that this disease appears to be spreading in a new way. However, that does not necessarily mean that the virus has changed or mutated significantly. We have seen in the West African Ebola outbreaks that a virus can take advantage of new methods of transmission, such as through sex, when there is enough behavioral pressure to make it do so.
There have been no recent genetic variations reported for the monkeypox.
Last I read sequencing is ongoing.
 
The concern I have is that cases shouldn’t be advancing this rapidly. The r0 is estimated to be between 1.18 and 1.26 at the moment. Seems a little high for a disease that never normally spreads like this. Plus, the spread pattern is much more vast than it should be if there was just a simple seed cluster, and intimate contact being the primary driver of spread.

Many suspicions that this is airborne. We will see…
 
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