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Should the U.S. Reassess Its Military Role in Europe and Shift Focus to Asia?

When read on true budgets ,prior to waiting time on well worded statements, you may find following the money will show the answers you are looking for.
No, seriously, please stop trying to make us believe that it's Europe's fault you can't afford a healthcare system.

American problems:
1- Incapable of self-reflection, they always blame others for their problems; these days, it's Europe.

2- The rich don't want to pay; they can afford it.

3- Your army is everywhere, not just in Europe: South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Japan, and so on. Now Venezuela, and soon Cuba... Iran-Israel war.

4- It's worth checking: your debt repayments exceed your military spending. You have a colossal debt; you're living beyond your means.

5- Space spending: now the Moon, later Mars...
6- You've elected incompetent governments.
 
No, seriously, please stop trying to make us believe that it's Europe's fault you can't afford a healthcare system.

American problems:
1- Incapable of self-reflection, they always blame others for their problems; these days, it's Europe.

2- The rich don't want to pay; they can afford it.

3- Your army is everywhere, not just in Europe: South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Japan, and so on. Now Venezuela, and soon Cuba... Iran-Israel war.

4- It's worth checking: your debt repayments exceed your military spending. You have a colossal debt; you're living beyond your means.

5- Space spending: now the Moon, later Mars...
6- You've elected incompetent governments.
You offer an interesting retort, fault finding seems all people want today,
What about solutions🤔🤞🏻

you quoted my post I now see a typo
“….budgets ,prior to wai(s)ting time on well worded statements, you may find following the money will show the answers you are looking for.”

But the balance of my post needed to be understood for context, a part post can mislead…

I am a space nerd, my opinion is severly slanted for #5, no comment.

1)Cause, overuse of social media, hunger for Reality shows.
2) absolutely , you correct, sadly in a utopian world it would be wonderful, personaly , i do like Gene Roddenbery and his concept if the what the world should be, We are a long way off.
3), Yep, army everywhere, thats history lesson, from 1776 on, budgets and spending,
4) Yes the part where i spend most time,,,, budgets,, FOLLOW THE 💵💵💵💵.
the US budget is extensive, wayyy overspent, and a serious waste of taxpayer money,

I posted a reflection on a thread that cleanly outlined what could be bought for 1.3billion, ‘member? 👉another thread

IMHO, if i was president a responsiblity system to the people who elected politicians and their sub managers be transparent,
Read, there would be alot of firings, another rant, for another day,

6) political slant, you dont not want my postable opinion nobody would😂

So lets talk healthcare, 330,000,000 people, what of budget to get to free, what cost adjustments would have to be made?i should start a thread,,,,🤔

Since i have jumped off the trail,
40,000,000 in Canada, healthcare is not free, most Canadian pay 15-20% tax plus at stores 13-15%
politicians just got a raise for working at best 6 months a year, the great roads tax on boozed, thats why canadians love US booze, you have to be a millionair to drink in Canada, 1.5 litre(40oz) 68$ canadian about42$USD,

I will end there, sad part is most americans would scream if they were to be taxed for more quality service.

Apologies to the managers ,
 
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…the great roads tax on boozed, thats why canadians love US booze, you have to be a millionair to drink in Canada, 1.5 litre(40oz) 68$ canadian about42$USD,
As an aside, hypothetically, sometime last century, far closer to the middle than the end, I might have, as a juvenile paid for a new Jeep by smuggling booze north to my cousin and cigarettes south.

At the time, Canadiens were paying outrageous tax on booze and the US was and still are paying outrageous taxes on cigarettes. In fact the profit margin was so wide we didn’t even have to worry about trying to retail them out and (for this fictional story) we just sell them wholesale to small stores.

Of course this is just hypothetical and I’m not encouraging anyone to jump in a 40 foot cabin cruiser in an attempt to cross an international border twice with illicit cargo. Back then nobody cared and now Homeland would be all over you.

Driving across we literally used to stop and write down our names and leave it in a jar in a little kiosk at the border and then when we came back, we put our name in the other jar and the Canadiens would do the same. That’s how we handled border crossings. That’s if we bother to stop at all. Now they have fences everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere. One might think it was a border
 
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A big beautiful peace , best actions China toll the seas they control, ( bet a model is being considered, )
America / Russia shuts down the Bearing Strait.
Sweden Denmark toll its creek,
Oh Canada shuts down the NorthWest passage,
Shuffle the cards, what one next?


Piracy on Hormuz!!!!!🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️Arggghhhh!
“Millions for defense but not one cent in tribute”. Im guessing not do much anymore.

We didnt have NATO or anyone else helping us when that came around. We rolled up are sleeves and started killing till they stopped. No leaked memo (not really a thing anyways) but now after killing a shipton of people, being betrayed by half of NATO and all of the Kurds (Just let the Turks and Iraqi’s deal with them) we are bowing out.

Except for one thing: If there are any pan oceanic tankers in the world that are USA flagged (uhmmm afaik NO) Im betting they get left alone.

Unfortunately we have just defended the free flow of oil for our enemies and for our former allies. We have lowered the threat of missile attack on NATO and europe, including with using a nuclear warhead. And….

“What did we win Bob”
We won a year supply of Rice-A-Roni the San Francisco treat and, we get exactly dick out of the deal, accept the $1.5 trillion bill for weapons, testing and research.

Good news the billions and billions seem well spent, just ask Persian government 2.5. Doesn’t seem worth it.
 
“Millions for defense but not one cent in tribute”. Im guessing not do much anymore.

We didnt have NATO or anyone else helping us when that came around. We rolled up are sleeves and started killing till they stopped. No leaked memo (not really a thing anyways) but now after killing a shipton of people, being betrayed by half of NATO and all of the Kurds (Just let the Turks and Iraqi’s deal with them) we are bowing out.

Except for one thing: If there are any pan oceanic tankers in the world that are USA flagged (uhmmm afaik NO) Im betting they get left alone.

Unfortunately we have just defended the free flow of oil for our enemies and for our former allies. We have lowered the threat of missile attack on NATO and europe, including with using a nuclear warhead. And….

“What did we win Bob”
We won a year supply of Rice-A-Roni the San Francisco treat and, we get exactly dick out of the deal, accept the $1.5 trillion bill for weapons, testing and research.

Good news the billions and billions seem well spent, just ask Persian government 2.5. Doesn’t seem worth it.

Certainly a frustrating time for everyone effected by this adventure.
Hate me , sure 🤔
The asked question what was it worth?
Actually nothing….. but…..

Testing and getting rid of shelf life weapons👍🏻
Chance for a navy sub to sink a ship?
Hell ya!
Tribute,💵💵💵🤔Kingdom of???

High priced fuel for the taxpayer,
Higher cost of goods? Dont see the rich moneymakers offering to cover your bill.
Higher taxes( tarriffs) hitting Americans to fund the adventure?

Lost service personal? What price for a bad adventure hat could have been avoided?

NATO is a defence clan, came to aid in 911 Artivle 5, for a big beautiful war, lost their own soldiers too, spent dollops of 💵💵💵💵

This war as initiated by?

Whilst terrorism can be argued an attack, as repeated ad nausium, for 46 years, None of the preceeding goverments both Dem and GOP chose to attack? Lets figure why?

In this very case , Hormuz was Wide open
always under threat just like the Hourhies and RedSea, didnt even have TOLLS!

We eased oil sanctions for friends in Russia to make weapons for Iran to kill americans, please help us all make sense of that?

What have we not been alliwed to see or distracted from?

Rice a roni and 1.3 billion/day spent was a great adventure, but now how to get out of a mess,? Blame others? sure whynot ?


And this mess will likely end up on America’s shore or airways in the form of forever terrorism, Recall how the PLA played in the 70’s, the IRA , N Ireland,

Somebody got a hornets nest kicked up !!!
Proverb:
👉a pointed finger, three fingers pointing right back🤔✋
 
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Ok,
I really hear sooooo much Putin, Trump love,

Orban Trump Vance trends and patterns?
👉👉👉WHERE IS Orbans military support??? 💵💵💵🔮🔮🔮

Gift to putin, drama, drama, reality show politics,

Draw Nato off to another battle? Tactically sound, sure ….FUBAR
In the meantime
Rusian subs and frigates operating at leisure?
Of course , it makes sense to have NATO leave a front open?
Who wins?
Instead of being a bully, thinking playground rules works! Be a real leader!

Send the US navy in and demonstrate just how safe the Hormuz is! Maybe then setting an example is good, leadership🤔

Otherwise, for sure pull out of NATO,
right out FULL STOP!

Then we can cut financial losses, get healthcare for people. We wont need an arms industry , no more wars? 🤞🏻👍🏻☮️☮️☮️
 
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Ok,
I really hear sooooo much Putin, Trump love,

Orban Trump Vance trends and patterns?
👉👉👉WHERE IS Orbans military support??? 💵💵💵🔮🔮🔮

Gift to putin, drama, drama, reality show politics,

Draw Nato off to another battle? Tactically sound, sure ….FUBAR
In the meantime
Rusian subs and frigates operating at leisure?
Of course , it makes sense to have NATO leave a front open?
Who wins?
Instead of being a bully, thinking playground rules works! Be a real leader!

Send the US navy in and demonstrate just how safe the Hormuz is! Maybe then setting an example is good, leadership🤔

Otherwise, for sure pull out of NATO,
right out FULL STOP!

Then we can cut financial losses, get healthcare for people. We wont need an arms industry , no more wars? 🤞🏻👍🏻☮️☮️☮️
Except for the last part. No healthcare (didnt ObamaCare fix that?) and Lots more defense spending. Everyone in Europe comes home. East coast shift to fly overs whi go to the left coast. The pacific coast pushes out to Guam and Hawaii oh and the ever popular Aleutian Islands.

 
We had our foot on their throat and we let them talk. Thats how it went to shit. You kill until who ever is left is waving a white flag. Or dont do it at all. (Im firmly in the don’t do it, especially here.)

It served little purpose. Iran couldn’t reach US but the could reach NATO. We dont need even a drop of oil from the ME but NATO countries sure a heck do. This sounds like a job for super left wing treacherous liberal socialists!
 
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We had our foot on their throat and we let them talk. Thats how is went to shit. You kill till who ever is let is waving a white flag. Or dont do it at all. (Im firmly in the don’t do it, especially here.)

It served little purpose. Iran couldn’t reach US but the could reach NATO. We dont need even a drop of oil from the ME but NATO countries sure a heck do. This sounds like a job for super left wing treacherous liberal socialists!
False, Iran's enemies are Israel and the USA.

Edit : If the US leaves NATO, it will be good riddance.

Americans, stay home. I think Elon Musk was right; you're on the verge of bankruptcy.
 
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I'll leave this here. It was Trump that said he didn't need help from the Allies. The war was already won. Maybe if we didn't have a president that is riddled with dementia they would have helped.
Your hatred has left you are unable to be objective. I’m not sure what bees under Europe bonnet, but in the US it’s because europe was supposed to have our back and she didn’t.

The EU probably couldnt of helped much if she tried, but locking the USA out of bases where we are storing our munitions and our fuel, for NATO, is simply a dirty deed.

Now show your source that President Trump has been diagnosed with Dementia as opposed to just being an asshole.
 
This sounds like a job for super left wing treacherous liberal socialists!

"Your hatred has left you are unable to be objective.".

Also you can't be a Liberal and a Socialist.

Your hatred has left you are unable to be objective. I’m not sure what bees under Europe bonnet, but in the US it’s because europe was supposed to have our back and she didn’t.

The EU probably couldnt of helped much if she tried, but locking the USA out of bases where we are storing our munitions and our fuel, for NATO, is simply a dirty deed.

Now show your source that President Trump has been diagnosed with Dementia as opposed to just being an asshole.

How was Europe supposed to have America's back when Trump didn't ask for support to be begin with, nor consulted with them on the strike?

Do get me wrong, Europe should do more for its own security and contribute more to NATO, especially in regards to Russian aggression. But this conflict in Iran, does not evoke a NATO response.

Trump fucking around with Greenland and threating his Allies with tariffs is why we didn't let them use our bases. Why should let the US use aour bases when its President tries its Allies like Shit? Trump has a short memory or pretends to.
 
👉Your hatred has left you are unable to be objective. I’m not sure what bees under Europe bonnet, but in the US it’s because europe was supposed to have our back and she didn’t.

The EU probably couldnt of helped much if she tried, but locking the USA out of bases where we are storing our munitions and our fuel, for NATO, is simply a dirty deed.

Now show your source that President Trump has been diagnosed with Dementia as opposed to just being an asshole.

Hatred, in the big picture look, why is there a hatred?
What has poured gasoline to fires that never should have been?
The media and social”Karen” media has certainly done a great job,?No?
N America, European , Russia, China,

As with the social experiment called COVID, think, what direction is society being propelled?
We can argue war, politics, stupidity… ad nausium!

Take a count of 10?🤔hmm more,
Tunnel vision is a true killer,
why are we being carefully guided to see only what we are allowed to see?
Ask, why,
What is the motive?
Who gains from our freedom sight and direction control, that we, give up..
If a moral majority is guided to give up its morality, what happens then?

Is it not time to expose the narrative for what it is?
 
Why should let the US use aour bases when its President tries its Allies like Shit? Trump has a short memory or pretends to.
Then why should our munitions, personnel and equipment stay at YOUR BASES? Which they have since 1949 to today for the defense of YOUR country. Trump only treats allies like shit if they don’t pay their fair share of their defense. Remember, if wasn’t for the U.S., you’d be speaking German and eating sauerkraut. Actually in a way I agree that we should pull every scrap of equipment, munitions and personnel out of Europe. They think they can handle it themselves now….I say LET ‘EM.
 
Taiwan Flashpoint: Chinese Action Risks Multi-Front Global Conflict:NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has warned that if China moves against Taiwan, Beijing would likely press its “junior partner,” Russia, to intensify pressure on Europe and the United States. This points to a coordinated strategy aimed at simultaneously stretching Western defenses across both the Indo-Pacific and the European theaters.
China closes massive airspace near Shanghai. Experts assess the move as likely tied to military activity, citing its unusual scale, duration, and lack of altitude limits, potentially indicating missile tests or large-scale exercises.
China has sharply increased its naval presence around Taiwan, deploying over 100 warships near the island’s coastline almost doubling its maritime footprint as global attention remains fixed on the Middle East.
 
Then why should our munitions, personnel and equipment stay at YOUR BASES? Which they have since 1949 to today for the defense of YOUR country. Trump only treats allies like shit if they don’t pay their fair share of their defense. Remember, if wasn’t for the U.S., you’d be speaking German and eating sauerkraut. Actually in a way I agree that we should pull every scrap of equipment, munitions and personnel out of Europe. They think they can handle it themselves now….I say LET ‘EM.
I feel that way too, except I really feel bad for Poland, who has done everything they could to boost their defense and welcome the USA military.

The Uk is a tiny Big place with lots of countries and peoples. Politics wane both directions and in the end they allowed us to use our own equipment. Both at the start and still now.

Finally France. Although they had one hell of a row to hoe since 1944, after rejoining NATO they have been a strong Nato ally, looking after its own national national interest, and in my opinion, have become the strongest long-term economic model, and without any doubt, the strongest military power on the continent, assuming Europe/Asia are separate.

I don't want to leave NATO, but others MUST abide the treaty and increase military spending.

Also frak Spain. We should never again use a naval base there again. Gibraltar is right around the corner. And I’m sure Tunisia or someone would love to have a US Naval Air Station.

Spain is gonna have a super hard time coming up with the money to meet their deficit with the US no longer covering their tab. If you’re not aware of it for years, the US has covered for Spain by certifying equivalent to contributions in services. The same thing that Britain does with the US for free Spain charges us out they asked for and then applies it against their NATO bill.. good luck asshats. (that was a bad simplistic summary. If you wanna know more Google is your friend.)

So pro NATO if in exact equality.

Frak Spain whi literal cut us off from resupplying ship with our own munitions. (We really should have taken them by force)

Italy has some serious explaining to do. We can easily sail out of Naples and fly out of Vincenza.

I am aggrieved to desoair at the treachery shown by many NATO members. The act like this is a social club. This alliance is about being the biggest meanest gang in the City. It exists to kill people and break things. It is not a photo op once a year of a giant circle of happiness.

Clearly the EU has lost its mojo and if they don't get their ship together like pronto they will getting it beat back into them in Cyrillic and Mandarin. Bogus dude.
 
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Thanks to the Soviets, British, Canadians and several others....
USSR started WW2 by invading Poland as Germanys ally. Thats why no one outside the geopolitical area give two shits how many Soviets died fighting AFTER Germany betrayed them and invaded the USSR.

All of the Commonwealth Countries gave everything they could. It was magnificent. There was no shortage of bravery and it’s people should by proud.

The only reason the USSR didn’t CONTINUE to invade Europe after WW2 was the United States Military. To believe otherwise is to be completely mistaken. WW2 was a joint and even (ish) effort. The Cold war was the United States with a staggering 32,000 nuclear warheads and nearly a 600 ship navy facing the USSR with 33,000 nuclear weapons and an astounding 125,000 Armored Fighting Vehicle and Tanks (55,000).

It was the USA with both a Nuclear armed Britain and France as major components. There was no force on this earth, before or after that could have stopped the USSR, but the USA would have made the attempts to take Europe incredibly difficult.

So as an addendum Europe would have had to ditch its nascent German overlord language and, to this day, speak Russian.
 
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USSR started WW2 invading Poland as Germanys ally. Thats why no outside the geopolitical are give two. Shit how many Soviets died fight AFTER Germany betrayed them and invaded the USSR.

All of the Commonwealth Countries gave everything they could. It was magnificent. There was no shortage of bravery and it oeoples should by proud.

The only reason the USSR didn’t CONTINUE to invade Europe after WW2 was the United States Military. To believe otherwise is to be completely mistaken. WW2 was a joint and even (ish) effort. The Cold war was thae United States with a staggering 32,000 nuclear warheads and near 600 ship navy facing the USSR with 33,000 nuclear weapons and an astounding 125,000 Armored Fighting Vehicle and Tanks (55,000).

It was the USA with both a Nuclear armed Britain and France as major components. There was no force on this earth, before or after that could have stopped the USSR, but the USA would have made the attempts to take Europe incredibly difficult.

So as an addendum Europe would have had to ditch its nascent German overlord language and, to this day, speak Russian.
Why are you repeating what I said? Yes, it was a joint effort. I was responding to the member who thinks it was only the US.

Well, these days that alliance between Westerners doesn't exist anymore... because of your asshole of a president.
 
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