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And what does the rest of Acyn's feed have to do with what Trump was filmed saying?
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Charlie Kirk Assassination & The Fallout From It
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It has nothing at all to do with the memorial specifically. I think it was posted as a contrast and comparison to how MAGA reacts to the death of one of their own versus the (imminent) death of a liberal.
I did not look at the Acyn feed, but I did verify that the video of Donald Trump saying that is legitimate.
So, we have the tragic (and unnecessary) murder of Charlie Kirk, who was exercising his First Amendment rights. (I disagree with his viewpoints, but he should not have been killed for voicing them, and I am not the only non-conservative saying that.) Trump and the right hold a massive memorial service for Kirk during which they practically canonize him and drop hints of revenge and more political violence. (Again, they had the First Amendment right to do this.) Meanwhile, many liberal celebrities expressed their condolences for Kirk and his family, and condemned his murder and political violence in general. Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher, Barrack Obama... all of them made similar statements of sorrow, sympathy, and a call for an end to political violence.
In contrast, we have a very old man who is battling a cancer that will most likely kill him. How does the right react? They choose to insult and demean him.
I have tried very hard over the past 17 years to respect the viewpoints of conservatives even though I disagree with a lot of them. But this country has now crossed a line in the sand for me. Why should I respect people who support a party and a President that can't hold a civilized conversation with anyone that disagrees with them? They certainly don't respect me or my opinions, and they don't even want to hear that there are some issues where I do lean conservative. They don't care about that. All they care about is that I do not worship at the feet of Donald Trump, and that makes me free game for verbal abuse that no one should have to tolerate.
So, when you say "Just more Donald Trump and the right bad!" my response is, "Yes, exactly." There is more than ample evidence regarding the mindset of Donald Trump and his sycophants, and yes, it's bad. Their behavior spits in the faces of thousands of veterans who fought and won against this exact same mindset in World War II. If this is the behavior you support and you want to be representative of America, then you and I have no common ground for a civilized discussion, and to quote Bill Maher, I have no use for you. That's the difference between me and you. If you were killed for expressing your beliefs, I would still support your First Amendment rights to express those beliefs, condemn the violence, and voice my sympathy to your family. If I were killed for expressing my beliefs, you would celebrate it and claim that I had it coming. The best-case scenario is that you just wouldn't care.
Notice that even with everything I had to say, I still did my best to not launch into a personal attack on you; I'm attacking your belief structure based on your unwavering support of extremely evil people who don't give a shit about you, me, or anyone else who is not part of their innermost circle. Yes, Donald Trump and the right are indeed bad. But by the time you realize that for yourself, it will be too late.
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Because I respect you and your views
See above reply
Unfair
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My views are almost diametrically opposite of Donald Trump and the MAGA right. That's not to say I'm a far-left wing liberal, because they have their own issues that I don't support either. You say you respect me and my views, but if you are supporting a group of people who can disappear me to a South American prison if I say something they don't like, then your actions don't match up with your statement.
See mine.
No, 100% accurate. I have literally tried to have rational discussions with MAGA members where I state my full support of the Second Amendment which they love, but the moment I say I also support universal health care, or that I don't like Donald Trump, or anything else that flies in the face of Trumpism, they call me a "socialist," or worse, and ignore anything else I have to say after that.
You might not be one of those people, but you can't dismiss my personal experiences and call my statement "unfair."
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And the exact same argument could be made against the left.
You’re working from the priori that conservative leaders don’t care and are behaving poorly.
A conservative can also approach events with the priori that liberal leaders don’t care and also behave poorly.
Which is more embarrassing a president who says rude and incentive things. Or a President who son recorded videos of himself smoking crack, and engaging in sex. A son who had regular access to the WH even after being repeatedly implicated selling access to his father’s office.
What is in common to them to both positions is they have nothing to do with policies and outcomes. And everything to do with identity politics and stigmatization of others.
Your ultimate mistake is in thinking this is somehow still a moral competition of ideas and reputations. Conservatives know Trump can be uncouth and inappropriate. They don’t care, they tolerate it because it’s no longer just a struggle for the direction of the country.
It’s elevated to an existential battle for survival of the nation as they conceive it.
I’m not going to elaborate why conservatives and republicans have arrived at these conclusions. I’ve spoken about it before, and nothing I say now will change your mind.
Democrats have already realized this and said as much. “We’re fighting to save democracy.
As Andrew Breitbart said and this is not directed at you personally RiffRaff.
This anger and attitude predates Trump.
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Jeeze man, go off.
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I'm sue President Trump and his whole cabinet will pay their respects when biden passes and I'm also sure his funeral will represent his status as commander and chief and his time in congress. 21-gun salute, military flyover, flags at half-staff and the whole nine yards, which is as it should be, so I totally disagree with your statement.
Well at least you have picked a side. Please don't claim to be bipartisan though.
I would say this statement is rather personal.
Where have I ever celebrated the death of someone expressing their beliefs through dialog and debate. Now the terrorists that rape and murder, kill parents in front of their children and other atrocities, yes, I will celebrate their death.
The entire political right are evil bad people. WOW just WOW!
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The jury is still out on that. We will wait and see.
I'm not bipartisan. In fact, I've been saying for years that I abhor what both the right and the left have become. And I can't be a Libertarian anymore because they just went completely off reservation. I am currently an American without a political party who represents my beliefs.
Exactly. The problem with that is the definition of "terrorist" is changing on almost a daily basis now. At some point, I will probably be labeled a "terrorist."
No, was referring to far-right MAGA, Trump, and his minions. There is a huge difference between a Republican/conservative and MAGA. If I didn't make this clear already, I pretty much count MAGA as a separate party from the Republican party.
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Just pointing out the extreme bias of that feed. Again, what does a clip of President Trump saying biden is a bad person have anything to do with what this thread is supposed to be about.
Also this got wildly off topic. Keep it about Kirk, his assassination, and resulting news from it.
(I am busy and will deal/move it later. Don't have energy to read through this atm.)
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I think that the US trending towards a totalitarian regime where morals are seemingly inverted is of great importance when it comes to the threat of nuclear war.
Internal tensions are super high in the world’s most formidable superpower and nuclear armed nation and political unrest or crisis is very much a threat to nuclear safety. If China was suddenly having unrest we would consider that a potential nuclear threat. It’s just that me and you are living inside of it, so it feels more personal.
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