Charlie Kirk Shot Dead in Assassination | Sep. 10th-21st/2025 | Discussions Closed

[Deleted account]

Facts are facts

What an utterly deranged thing to post in this thread of all threads.

 

[teekay99]

So, to recap:

July 13, 2024: Alleged assassination attempt on Donald Trump
December 4, 2024: United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson murdered in the street in New York City
Spring, 2025: Multiple violent attacks on Tesla dealerships, employees, and customers due to Elon Musk's support of Donald Trump
April 13, 2025: Pennsylvania Governor's mansion was set on fire by an arsonist with Josh Shapiro and his family inside
June 14, 2025: Minnesota state senator John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette, were both shot in their home (injured)
June 14 2025: Minnesota state senator Melissa Hortman and her husband were both shot and killed in their home
September 15, 2024: A second alleged assassination attempt on Donald Trump in West Palm Beach, Florida
September 10, 2025: Charlie Kirk shot and killed by a sniper from 200 yards

Colored text shows the political affiliation of the victims. Did I leave anyone out? I could go back further, but right now I'm limiting it to 2024 and 2025.

At this point, I believe the United States is in the early stages of a second US Civil War. People from both political parties are engaging in lethal violence against people from the opposing party. Beyond that, they are celebrating these deaths.

My personal opinion is this: If you are still actively supporting either party, you are part of the problem. If people start disavowing themselves from both parties and support for those politicians start to dry up, it might have some impact. However, this will never happen. Too many people are in love with the thought of hurting or killing other people, so we are way past the point of no return.

America is dying, and both Democrats and Republicans are the ones responsible.

I don't blame the party system per say, but rather extremists on both sides coupled with a lack of compromise furthered by a habit of putting party and power ahead of country.

 

[JPod]

I saw the video. He was dead within 30 seconds from that kind of blood loss.

Yes, it is quite possible the shooter was a Democrat and that this was a politically motivated murder. However, regardless of politics, the shooter was unhinged and there is no justification for his action.

I think he was dead before he hit the ground. My speculation is that the bullet or the bullet's shockwave in the tissue severed the spinal cord. Hence no physical reaction from him. He seized up and fell over with no bodily movement other than stiffening up. At least that is my opinion based on what I saw in video.

 

[NuclearID]

I think he was dead before he hit the ground. My speculation is that the bullet or the bullet's shockwave in the tissue severed the spinal cord. Hence no physical reaction from him. He seized up and fell over with no bodily movement other than stiffening up. At least that is my opinion based on what I saw in video.

Agree. I said the same exact thing to my freind today over the phone. Well I said "lights out as soon as the bullet hit, must of hit his spine, and was likely dead by the time he hit the ground"... also all that blood. Few seconds and he would of bleed out anyways regardless if it struck his spine or not...

Finding it hard to believe based off that horrific video he made it until paramedics got there let alone all the way to the hospital.

 

[teekay99]

He was not just a political commentator he was a possible presidential candidate for the conservative party. The left just made a martyr out of him.

I challenge this, and I think this type of statement only adds to the lack of civility in politics today. Is the political affiliation of the shooter known? Did left leaning parties condone or fund his effort? There are thousands of people who are potential candidates for a "conservative party". So that doesn't add any weight to this killing.

The only thing I think we can conclude about this is that he was assassinated by a disturbed individual who resorted to violence. Blaming a political philosophy or elevating this to some sort of ideological martyrdom is irresponsible rhetoric in the absence of any real investigative facts.

 

[Torch]

He was not just a political commentator he was a possible presidential candidate for the conservative party. The left just made a martyr out of him.

Someone



Although he was going to be a presidential contender. Almost certainly a nominee if he didn’t screw up.
(15 years is plenty of time to decide to chase the au pair.)

 

[Publius]

I challenge this, and I think this type of statement only adds to the lack of civility in politics today. Is the political affiliation of the shooter known? Did left leaning parties condone or fund his effort? There are thousands of people who are potential candidates for a "conservative party". So that doesn't add any weight to this killing.

The only thing I think we can conclude about this is that he was assassinated by a disturbed individual who resorted to violence. Blaming a political philosophy or elevating this to some sort of ideological martyrdom is irresponsible rhetoric in the absence of any real investigative facts.

He founded Turning Point USA at 18 with groups on over 1300 HS and college campuses and 250000 adherents.
It was a organization founded on open debate presenting political ideas and open debate of them.
He created TPUSA with over 850 chapters on campus’s and several national political meetings yearly. Building a national political institution with 450 employees.

So he wasn’t just a political commentator. He organized debate events on campus, supported and encouraged and supported candidates for political office. Campaigned and was instrumental in the reelection of Trump.

As far as rhetoric, you didn’t like his policy position? Too bad they were valid propositions. Simply trying to label them as fascist, xenophobiac or whatever.
Just because people didn’t like them doesn’t make them evil. It just means they disagreed. And neither is a crime or morally reprehensible.

Charlie Kirk was assassinated because he successfully built a national political organization by confronting political ideologies with conservative policies and ideas. While also supporting numerous conservative candidates to successful elections.

 

[teekay99]

As far as rhetoric, you didn’t like his policy position? Too bad they were valid propositions. Simply trying to label them as fascist, xenophobiac or whatever.

Irrelevant. My philosophy is generally right of center but I never really heard of the guy before this and have no opinion of him. He was a human being expressing his position. No issues with that.

Charlie Kirk was assassinated because he successfully built a national political organization by confronting political ideologies with conservative policies and ideas. While also supporting numerous conservative candidates to successful elections.

This information has been publicly and officially acknowledged by the investigators as the reason for the shooting?

 

[Onoya]

He was not just a political commentator he was a possible presidential candidate for the conservative party. The left just made a martyr out of him.

Unless i missed something, the killer isn't known yet.
We don't even know if it's the left, the right, a murder motivated by non-political reason (unlikely).

A lot of people were speaking about the mood currently in US about political violence (and violence in general) and about how to avoid situation from escalating.

I think that waiting for full information (here, who is the killer) before speaking would be already a step, because it won't calm things to accuse "the left" while we don't know yet if they did it

(even even if it's a leftist that did it, it's not good either to generalize an whole political group)

 

[intel-bank]

Send a message or silence a voice.

You say “the left” did this as if every possible leftists wants to and is planning to go out and shoot people.

I’m not gonna sit here and bullshit you that all leftists were immensely sad, but leftists as a whole are no more guilty than right wingers as a whole when they have their political violence.

 

[intel-bank]

I honestly have no clue why this idiot made a martyr out of someone, and I hope he’s caught and this doesn’t spiral. But the right has immediately concluded we are all guilty and evil for the crime of not immediately balling our eyes out.

 

[Publius]

Irrelevant. My philosophy is generally right of center but I never really heard of the guy before this and have no opinion of him. He was a human being expressing his position. No issues with that.

I was not speaking particularly of you, that you have not heard of him does not diminish his impact on national politics. This was a man who introduced the Person who became the Vice President to candidate Trump. He was not inconsequential.
Look at the vile post made about his death is proof of the violent hate he received from progressives.
Again that you were not aware of him does not diminish the hate out there for him.

This information has been publicly and officially acknowledged by the investigators as the reason for the shooting?

No it is my opinion and we shall see in time.

 

[teekay99]

I was not speaking particularly of you, that you have not heard of him does not diminish his impact on national politics. This was a man who introduced the Person who became the Vice President to candidate Trump. He was not inconsequential.
Look at the vile post made about his death is proof of the violent hate he received from progressives.
Again that you were not aware of him does not diminish the hate out there for him.

No it is my opinion and we shall see in time.

Gotcha understood. Thanks for the clarification. Please accept my apologies for a hasty reply.

 

[Deleted account]

I honestly have no clue why this idiot made a martyr out of someone, and I hope he’s caught and this doesn’t spiral. But the right has immediately concluded we are all guilty and evil for the crime of not immediately balling our eyes out.

Well then, allow me to inject a bit of good old-fashioned perspective: what we're dealing with here is a degenerate getting offed by an even greater degenerate. Personally, I'm not inclined to cry a river, though of course - to each their own.

I don't condone political assassinations, and I hope the perpetrator is caught and appropriately punished. That's it.

 

[Torch]

You say “the left” did this as if every possible leftists wants to and is planning to go out and shoot people.

I’m not gonna sit here and bullshit you that all leftists were immensely sad, but leftists as a whole are no more guilty than right wingers as a whole when they have their political violence.

Your are correct.

 

[Torch]

Well then, allow me to inject a bit of good old-fashioned perspective: what we're dealing with here is a degenerate getting offed by an even greater degenerate.

Charlie Kirk was most certainly NOT a degenerate. Do you have so insight into his life and character that the entire country is missing? If you do please share.

Perhaps it was a typo or poorly constructed sentence. Lord knows I have down many of those.

 

[teekay99]

Well then, allow me to inject a bit of good old-fashioned perspective: what we're dealing with here is a degenerate getting offed by an even greater degenerate. Personally, I'm not inclined to cry a river, though of course - to each their own.

What makes Kirk a degenerate? I have no issues labeling his killer a degenerate but not sure what qualifies Kirk to be one.

I don't condone political assassinations, and I hope the perpetrator is caught and appropriately punished. That's it.

I totally agree.

 

[Winnitude]

Well then, allow me to inject a bit of good old-fashioned perspective: what we're dealing with here is a degenerate getting offed by an even greater degenerate. Personally, I'm not inclined to cry a river, though of course - to each their own.

I don't condone political assassinations, and I hope the perpetrator is caught and appropriately punished. That's it.

Usually we see pretty close to eye to eye but I don't think calling Charlie Kirk a degenerate is accurate nor productive.

Harmful, propagandist, grifter, dangerous in his calls for violence against minorities he doesn't like (ie. "men should handle trans people like they did in the 50s/60s"), maybe even if you're being hyperbolic about his stated personal stance on empathy being a "made up new age concept" or how school shootings are "unfortunately worth it" (and to be clear I am pro gun just not in favor of this line of argumentation), or how he'd make his 10 year old daughter carry a rapist's baby to term, a sociopath. But I'm going to argue that someone who has built a successful life and an organization as effective - even if pretty much evil - as his isn't a degenerate. Someone who wastes their life not contributing to anything and spins out doing heroin on the side of the road is a degenerate. You could say the only thing he's contributing to is the downfall of western civlization, sure, but I don't think he sees it like that, and if I am going to use a postmodern morally relative lens of analysis, it must be done so consistently and fairly.
These, btw, for the right wingers here, are what colors in the broader leftist view of this man, and I'm sure adopting this framework even for the sake of argument you can see why people weren't exactly crying for him. Sympathetic for his children, mostly, but the jokes and stuff about his death are mostly a response to his pushing of ideas that can, will and have lead to many deaths. Is that his intention? Probably not. I think he might be one of the few of these pundits that believed what he was saying, even if it was reasonably insane.

THAT BEING SAID, I don't think Charlie Kirk's character should really be the main question here to begin with. Whether he "deserved" it - and even with the above stated I can't say I think he deserved death - is irrelevant; where this takes the political landscape from here matters much more.

 

[Torch]

Usually we see pretty close to eye to eye but I don't think calling Charlie Kirk a degenerate is accurate nor productive.

Harmful, propagandist, grifter, dangerous in his calls for violence against minorities he doesn't like (ie. "men should handle trans people like they did in the 50s/60s"), maybe even if you're being hyperbolic about his stated personal stance on empathy being a "made up new age concept" or how school shootings are "unfortunately worth it" (and to be clear I am pro gun just not in favor of this line of argumentation), or how he'd make his 10 year old daughter carry a rapist's baby to term, a sociopath. But I'm going to argue that someone who has built a successful life and an organization as effective - even if pretty much evil - as his isn't a degenerate. Someone who wastes their life not contributing to anything and spins out doing heroin on the side of the road is a degenerate. You could say the only thing he's contributing to is the downfall of western civlization, sure, but I don't think he sees it like that, and if I am going to use a postmodern morally relative lens of analysis, it must be done so consistently and fairly.
These, btw, for the right wingers here, are what colors in the broader leftist view of this man, and I'm sure adopting this framework even for the sake of argument you can see why people weren't exactly crying for him. Sympathetic for his children, mostly, but the jokes and stuff about his death are mostly a response to his pushing of ideas that can, will and have lead to many deaths. Is that his intention? Probably not. I think he might be one of the few of these pundits that believed what he was saying, even if it was reasonably insane.

THAT BEING SAID, I don't think Charlie Kirk's character should really be the main question here to begin with. Whether he "deserved" it - and even with the above stated I can't say I think he deserved death - is irrelevant; where this takes the political landscape from here matters much more.

Thank you.

 

[RiffRaff]

I think he was dead before he hit the ground. My speculation is that the bullet or the bullet's shockwave in the tissue severed the spinal cord. Hence no physical reaction from him. He seized up and fell over with no bodily movement other than stiffening up. At least that is my opinion based on what I saw in video.

Entirely possible. I was focused on the bloodflow, which was very extensive. I'm positive the bullet blew the carotid artery wide open. Either way, he's dead.