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Charlie Kirk Shot Dead in Assassination | Sep. 10th-21st/2025 | Discussions Closed

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Charlie Kirk's body will be flown on Air Force Two to his home in Arizona​



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I honestly don’t know why opinions vary. This doesn’t seem like something worth having an opinion over (specifically the body being flown home on Air Force Two)
 
Entirely possible. I was focused on the bloodflow, which was very extensive. I'm positive the bullet blew the carotid artery wide open. Either way, he's dead.
FWIW he seemed to jerk toward a fetal position w hands clenched, elbows bending, body freezing. Any hunter of deer large game or a soldier re men, has seen this before.

A Physician in my family stated that it flat out was spinal cord injury after 10 seconds of watching. They said it was 101, simple and absolute.

FWIW.
 
I honestly don’t know why opinions vary. This doesn’t seem like something worth having an opinion over (specifically the body being flown home on Air Force Two)
Well personally I think he should have a golden casket and lay in state also. You know like george floid!
 
(Sigh) obviously the White House and the vice president have a much higher regard for Charlie Kirk than some here do.

I mean I suppose. I hold him at no elevated regard. Political violence is a shame and perpetuates a cycle I just don’t know why I’m supposed to be treating him like the messiah. Simply not having an opinion on whether his body should be flown on Air Force Two is just too awful.
 
Well then, allow me to inject a bit of good old-fashioned perspective: what we're dealing with here is a degenerate getting offed by an even greater degenerate. Personally, I'm not inclined to cry a river, though of course - to each their own.

I don't condone political assassinations, and I hope the perpetrator is caught and appropriately punished. That's it.
Charlie Kirk was as far from a degenerate as anyone could be. Your comment is very out of turn.
 
The Pope (JP) has had crazy land on him, and he was the Pope FFS, not an effing political commentator.

It’s shocking and a man was executed in front of his family. It would be shameful if it was John Smith from Cincinnati.
No one in the political sphere seemed to give a toss about the 3 kids shot in Colarado though.

No one suggested lowering the flags to half mast when two legislators were shot in Minnesota.

Seems like somewhat of an over reaction tbh and one that MAGA will milk for as long as they can.
 
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There is a name for the killer supposedly. I have seen it. Users on fourChan identified him. I wont hamper an active investigation by revealing it yet.
 
I challenge this, and I think this type of statement only adds to the lack of civility in politics today. Is the political affiliation of the shooter known? Did left leaning parties condone or fund his effort? There are thousands of people who are potential candidates for a "conservative party". So that doesn't add any weight to this killing.

The only thing I think we can conclude about this is that he was assassinated by a disturbed individual who resorted to violence. Blaming a political philosophy or elevating this to some sort of ideological martyrdom is irresponsible rhetoric in the absence of any real investigative facts.
Whatever 🤷‍♂️ somebody made a martyr out of him when you scroll through social media. The left is cheering and the right is pissed. I'm going to go out on a limb here an predict the shooter is going to be some brainwashed far left socialist/ communist libtard! :mad:

https://x.com/RyanAFournier/status/1966327082809745599
https://x.com/JewsFightBack/status/1966225314423640185
Just a sampling!
 
Usually we see pretty close to eye to eye but I don't think calling Charlie Kirk a degenerate is accurate nor productive.
Well, depends on how you define accuracy and productivity, and especially on how you define degeneracy. See; to me this word does not imply any sort of mental illness - merely a complete lack of morals. I propose that the long paragraph you wrote regarding this fellow's life and career is the definition of a degenerate - or, more specifically, of an intelligent, witty, charismatic degenerate. The worst kind. He's what you get when you just have a second little devil on your right shoulder rather than the angel that's supposed to be sitting there.

There's a bit of personal trauma involved too - see, I had a good chunk of my family murdered because of people like Charlie Kirk. The Nazis rounded up my grandfather along with his parents, his uncle, and his sister (who was 12 at that time). All of them - with the sole exception of my grandfather - were sent straight to the gas chamber after stepping off the train in Auschwitz. So yeah, please excuse me for refusing to normalize what is essentially a modern reincarnation of Horst Wessel. :rolleyes:

I also detest hypocrisy in all its forms, and reactions to this murder are a veritable parade of hypocrisy - with activists publicly crying crocodile tears even as they secretly contemplate how this advances their political agenda. Don't believe me? Compare the contents of this thread to what people were saying following the murder of Melissa Hortman. It all brings me to the following conclusions (again - strictly a personal opinion):
  • the majority of Americans don't actually care about political shootings as such; they only don't like it when "their" politicians get shot,
  • for the majority of Americans the fact that a political figure got shot matters less than the political affiliation of the shooter.
And that's how we segue to your concern regarding where this takes the political landscape. I fully agree this is a much more pertinent issue than the murder itself; however, I believe we're blowing the matter out of proportion. Terrorism is, and has always been, the weapon of the weak - and if there's anything the history of political assassinations teaches us, it's that they seldom accomplish the stated goals, and quite often backfire.

For the reasons stated above I don't expect this event to produce any significant change in terms of the American political landscale and its dynamics.
 
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I hope every one can live with a divided broken up America. Because if the Democrats and Republicans can't live together and build a nation we all will be soon living divided with warlords, dictators, and communists throughout this once united nation.

Russia, China, Iran and America's enemies have us doing their work for them. Remember that. Watch the life you live in America and its freedoms get destroyed!


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Well, depends on how you define accuracy and productivity, and especially on how you define degeneracy. See; to me this word does not imply any sort of mental illness - merely a complete lack of morals. I propose that the long paragraph you wrote regarding this fellow's life and career is the definition of a degenerate - or, more specifically, of an intelligent, witty, charismatic degenerate. The worst kind. He's what you get when you just have a second little devil on your right shoulder rather than the angel that's supposed to be sitting there.

There's a bit of personal trauma involved too - see, I had a good chunk of my family murdered because of people like Charlie Kirk.
I do believe there is quite a difference between a Christian Conservative and a fascist nazi and I do not appreciate anyone comparing him to one. :mad:
The Nazis rounded up my grandfather along with his parents, his uncle, and his sister (who was 12 at that time). All of them - with the sole exception of my grandfather - were sent straight to the gas chamber after stepping off the train in Auschwitz. So yeah, please excuse me for refusing to normalize what is essentially a modern reincarnation of Horst Wessel. :rolleyes: and reactions to this murder are a veritable parade of hypocrisy - with activists publicly crying crocodile tears even as they secretly contemplate how this advances their political agenda. Don't believe me? Compare the contents of this thread to what people were saying following the murder of Melissa Hortman. It all brings me to the following conclusions (again - strictly a personal opinion):
  • the majority of Americans don't actually care about political shootings as such; they only don't like it when "their" politicians get shot,
  • for the majority of Americans the fact that a political figure got shot matters less than the political affiliation of the shooter.
What an "utterly deranged" statement to make about Americans. :mad:
And that's how we segue to your concern regarding where this takes the political landscape. I fully agree this is a much more pertinent issue than the murder itself; however, I believe we're blowing the matter out of proportion. Terrorism is, and has always been, the weapon of the weak - and if there's anything the history of political assassinations teaches us, it's that they seldom accomplish the stated goals, and quite often backfire.

For the reasons stated above I don't expect this event to produce any significant change in terms of the American political landscale and its dynamics.
The left just lost their chance of gaining power in the midterms. IMO
 
Tone it down, everyone. I will lock this thread in case this spirals into another Left vs Right debate with insults being thrown.

Remember, the point being debated is whether a step back must be taken because violence is being normalised to a great extent. Not about the political affiliation of the victim. Today it was Kirk, tomorrow it could be a Democrat - this is something that both sides should ideally fight and ensure that discourse never spirals into violence.

Accusing the entire other side of being evil and your own side of being righteous is easy to do when you're the victim, but remember this - neither the right nor the left are clean. No, it doesn't matter how big or influencial the person who got assassinated was; even if it was a small party worker who nobody knew, it's part of the same pattern and isn't any less of a problem. As Riff said, there have been 3 Democrats assassinated, while 4-5 Republicans assassinated. This highlights a dangerous pattern present on both sides. Remember when Nancy Pelosi's husband's skull was bashed with a hammer? It happens to people on both ends and is something that everyone should combat unitedly.
 
Looking at it from a distance, this is a very worrying event but it is not alone and is indicative of a growing trend in American politics. We have arguably worse political divisions in India but it rarely breaks out into violence. I cannot remember the last political assassination we had. This is because regardless of how much both sides hate each other, people prefer to argue and quarrel it out instead, even if useless. Nobody has crossed that line yet.
 
Looking at it from a distance, this is a very worrying event but it is not alone and is indicative of a growing trend in American politics. We have arguably worse political divisions in India but it rarely breaks out into violence. I cannot remember the last political assassination we had. This is because regardless of how much both sides hate each other, people prefer to argue and quarrel it out instead, even if useless. Nobody has crossed that line yet.
Actually, I suspect the reason is much simpler: there are 1.2 guns per citizen in the US, compared to only 0.06 in India.

Increase the number of privately owned firearms by a factor of 20 (which, in the case of India, would mean handing out 1.4 billion guns) and I bet my ass you're going to start seeing political assassinations.
 
Actually, I suspect the reason is much simpler: there are 1.2 guns per citizen in the US, compared to only 0.06 in India.

Increase the number of privately owned firearms by a factor of 20 and I bet my ass you're going to start seeing political assassinations.
See, there's a reason I didn't make this argument - it's that the 0.06 number is BS. Crude pistols are very popular here, I'd say there's people with them on every single street. These are not registered with the government and there is no way to track them. Not to mention, in almost every car you'd find people carrying sticks, bats, metal rods and knives due to the unfortunately high crime rate.

I wouldn't attribute it to a lack of weapons.
 
See, there's a reason I didn't make this argument - it's that the 0.06 number is BS. Crude pistols are very popular here, I'd say there's people with them on every single street. These are not registered with the government and there is no way to track them. Not to mention, in almost every car you'd find people carrying sticks, bats, metal rods and knives due to the unfortunately high crime rate.

I wouldn't attribute it to a lack of weapons.
That's a good point. I stand corrected.
 
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