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I can guarantee Ukraine and Zelenskyy have a much better idea of what’s going on than the rest of getting information from the news. If they didn’t and felt like they were being excluded I’m sure they would make it well known.
Are yes I forgot accidents and threats of only happen in non - western countries. Thanks for the reminder. 🤝👍
 
@DarkNoon i wouldn't be too negative, afterall you may get the opportunity to meet him face to face and shake his hand, should he decide to become a local. If not than on one of his holidays. I mean you are around Florida aren't you.😉
Or your not aware of his global property purchases?
Not even trying anymore I see. Then I won't ether. 🥱 Maybe some new material would be nice at least. 🙄
 
Definitely not a majority, it's a slim majority. Definitely and by no way a mandate. 🥱
Your statement contradicts itself.
Also for illustration purposes 300 million American Citizens is generally used. Having no less than 151 million votes is a majority. But these are truly unit-less numbers as for the US election. The vote % only begin to correlate at the state level, maximum.

If you find solace in smaller national percentages, then please grasp it. Because:

Trump had a massive win when he was elected.
 
Your statement contradicts itself.
Also for illustration purposes 300 million American Citizens is generally used. Having no less than 151 million votes is a majority. But these are truly unit-less numbers as for the US election. The vote % only begin to correlate at the state level, maximum.

If you find solace in smaller national percentages, then please grasp it. Because:

Trump had a massive win when he was elected.
Incorrect and I wouldn't call the margins in Congress a mandate. Unless that definition somehow changed, then no. You have a slim majority and won by a slim majority. Give me a break. Nowhere near a mandate.
 
Definitely not a majority, it's a slim majority. Definitely and by no way a mandate. 🥱
Anyone here can make logical sense of this statement?

“Definitely not a majority, it's a slim majority.”

A slim majority IS a majority. Always has been. It’s a math thing.

Define mandate -be pleased to source it as well.

Trump won 62% of the Sovereign States that cast votes for the President.

There are many leaders of democracies in power with far less. Look at Trudeau. Wait! Bad example! Don’t ever look at Trudeau….for anything.
 
All they need to do is allow an election for the Ukrainian population to sort Zelinski out. 😉
You’re dreaming if you think the Ukrainian population wouldn’t reelect Zelenskyy or another pro-western politician after what they’ve been through. There’s zero chance anybody who’s even the slightest bit pro-Russian will be elected in Ukraine for decades.
 
You’re dreaming if you think the Ukrainian population wouldn’t reelect Zelenskyy or another pro-western politician after what they’ve been through. There’s zero chance anybody who’s even the slightest bit pro-Russian will be elected in Ukraine for decades.
Never mentioned pro - Russian or pro western? 🙄🤭
You're dreaming to think Zelinski would be re-elected.🤣😂😛
 
You’re dreaming if you think the Ukrainian population wouldn’t reelect Zelenskyy or another pro-western politician after what they’ve been through. There’s zero chance anybody who’s even the slightest bit pro-Russian will be elected in Ukraine for decades.
After the genocide Russia committed against the Ukrainian people and trying to erase the Ukrainian identity... nah... never. Not even decades, more like forever or several generation much like WWII hard feelings and even then a lot still unsettled after WWII many generation later. Look no further then how the South Korean and Japanese treat each-other and none of them alive acutualy witness or experienced the horrors, but the grudges live on.

It would be like the Palestinian people putting someone in power who is a pro-Israeli. Ukraine won't elect a pro-russian. Never gonna happen. Anyone saying otherwise has been hitting the piss poor Kremlin Propoganda sauce a little to hard.
 
Incorrect and I wouldn't call the margins in Congress a mandate. Unless that definition somehow changed, then no. You have a slim majority and won by a slim majority. Give me a break. CNowhere near a mandate.
Who said anything about a mandate before you? I sure did not. And you are still to define this term “mandate”
you continue to use.


And I’m not incorrect.
You posted:

“Definitely not a majority, it's a slim majority.”

Guess what? Both of those “majority’s” are MAJORITIES.

It’s like talking to someone from the bizarro world. I give up.
 
After the genocide Russia committed against the Ukrainian people and trying to erase the Ukrainian identity... nah... never. Not even decades, more like forever or several generation much like WWII hard feelings and even then a lot still unsettled after WWII many generation later. Look no further then how the South Korean and Japanese treat each-other and none of them alive acutualy witness or experienced the horrors, but the grudges live on.

It would be like the Palestinian people putting someone in power who is a pro-Israeli. Ukraine won't elect a pro-russian. Never gonna happen. Anyone saying otherwise has been hitting the piss poor Kremlin Propoganda sauce a little too hard.
Yet we launched the marshal plan and rebuilt the nations we were at war with just a short time before.
then There was the Berlin airlift to support the Germans in Berlin. Sure there was some personal animosity people held on to. But it was the actions of those who prevailed to help those nations.
I believe you’re extrapolating too much into the narrative either by mistake or purpose.
Just as in response to YingYangs post about chance of Zelinski it being reelected. You cannot predict how relations will be between Russia and Ukraine in time. And not generational time. Peace stability and economic growth go along way to healing wounds.
Inflaming hate only prolongs suffering.
Is that your goal?
 
Inflaming hate only prolongs suffering.
Is that your goal?
Sorry pointing out that Russia committed genocide, actively still is through seeking to erase the Ukrainian identity, and how almost impossible that will be for them to "get over that" by pointing out real world examples is prolonging suffering? Jesus...
 
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After the genocide Russia committed against the Ukrainian people and trying to erase the Ukrainian identity... nah... never. Not even decades, more like forever or several generation much like WWII hard feelings and even then a lot still unsettled after WWII many generation later. Look no further then how the South Korean and Japanese treat each-other and none of them alive acutualy witness or experienced the horrors, but the grudges live on.

It would be like the Palestinian people putting someone in power who is a pro-Israeli. Ukraine won't elect a pro-russian. Never gonna happen. Anyone saying otherwise has been hitting the piss poor Kremlin Propoganda sauce a little to hard.
Once again where did I mention a pro-Russian? You people are definitely in a mindset of your own. Please show my statement suggesting pro-Russian or anti-west government or leader to replace Zelinski. 🤡🤡🤡s. Show me go on , show me?
 
Sorry pointing out that Russia committed genocide, actively still is through seeking to erase the Ukrainian identity, and how almost impossible that will be for them to "get over that" by pointing out real world examples is prolonging suffering? Jesus...
That statement qualifies you as a potential politician of the highest order. Well done 👏👏👏. Fact Ukraine removed Russian language and history being taught in education system. So your statement of the opposite overwhelmingly shows your capacity and capabilities of being a perfect politician-leader. No doubt you could excel in this career choice.
Maybe something you could or should consider, if you haven't previously. I understand the pay packet sucks but the kickbacks more than double it , so still worth consideration. Generally only real qualification required is lack of conscience, I guess that added to previous qualifications makes you over qualified for such position 😉🤭🤷🏻‍♂️
 
After the genocide Russia committed against the Ukrainian people and trying to erase the Ukrainian identity... nah... never. Not even decades, more like forever or several generation much like WWII hard feelings and even then a lot still unsettled after WWII many generation later. Look no further then how the South Korean and Japanese treat each-other and none of them alive acutualy witness or experienced the horrors, but the grudges live on.

It would be like the Palestinian people putting someone in power who is a pro-Israeli. Ukraine won't elect a pro-russian. Never gonna happen. Anyone saying otherwise has been hitting the piss poor Kremlin Propoganda sauce a little to hard.
Obviously grudges live on. Your a perfect example.
 
That statement qualifies you as a potential politician of the highest order. Well done 👏👏👏. Fact Ukraine removed Russian language and history being taught in education system. So your statement of the opposite overwhelmingly shows your capacity and capabilities of being a perfect politician-leader. No doubt you could excel in this career choice.
Maybe something you could or should consider, if you haven't previously. I understand the pay packet sucks but the kickbacks more than double it , so still worth consideration. Generally only real qualification required is lack of conscience, I guess that added to previous qualifications makes you over qualified for such position 😉🤭🤷🏻‍♂️
While your general observation might be correct. Ukraine wanting the Ukrainian language being taught in schools and history be taught from a Ukrainian centric position IS NOT a crime against anyone. If Ukraine If ethic Russians want to preserve the Russia language they could do it at home as dual language families have done all over the world.
National identity cannot successfully be a dichotomy of two separate histories and languages.
Thus we had a war.
That still does mean the expectation was made by some boogyman with evil intent evil intent.
 
While your general observation might be correct. Ukraine wanting the Ukrainian language being taught in schools and history be taught from a Ukrainian centric position IS NOT a crime against anyone. It Ukraine. If ethic Russians want to preserve the Russia language.
National identity cannot successfully be a dichotomy of two separate histories and languages.
Thus we had a war.
That still does mean the expectation was made by some boogyman with evil intent evil intent.
Hey no argument here . Just pointing out the plot twist suited for minority group amongst Western population as DarkNoon pointed out.
You know so called enemies of yesteryears still seen as such today. That aside , language choices offered in education systems seem to unnecessarily suffer similar attitudes. How is America on restricted international language and history classes? In Australia to my knowledge the only barrier to such education is if it isn't available at all anywhere due to lack of interest or lack of educators. Not through law-policy etc. We even allow all languages to be spoken here. No single language outlawed at all. Only violent extremists beliefs. Here you can learn Russian, Chinese-Mandorin,Japanese, German etc etc. Any other western democratic countries you know with restrictions on language and history lessons not allowed?.
Restrictions on publicly speaking another language?
Europe or America have such restrictions?, obviously not including the largest European democratic country?
 
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